STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[penno64]

Hi all,

To add weight to GB's tape concept, I posted earlier (way back) a link to John Bedinis ENEGENX you tube of -

1 of zero force ORBO coil but no one made any comments.

I think the list is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn4CTirVNbo

Kind Regards, Penno

[exnihiloest]

If there is a resistance in parallel with the coil and Steorn are only considering the resistance R of the coil when subtracting I^2R from the input IV then they are underestimating their OU effect. In such a case the OU effect would be higher than the one they claim.

No sens. You don't understand basic electronics.
(refering to: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg228804#msg228804)

Let R1 be the coil resistance, and R2 in parallel with R1, R2 being the equivalent resistance (seen from the pulse generator) of the process by which the coil current does work for aligning the electron spins of the ferrite core. Then R2*I2² is a usefull power and R1*I1² is the wasted power.
Steorn can measure only R1 (not R2 because R2 is dynamic and not accessible to ohmeters). He also measures only the total current of the circuit I=I1+I2. Then by presuming the losses are R1*I² instead of R1*I1², he over-estimates the Joule losses because I>I1.

The over-estimation of the Joule losses is a likely explanation of the hypothetical OU and can be proved false only by the evidence of a working selfrunning motor.

[Omnibus]

No, you’re the one who doesn’t understand the matter at hand. Steorn, like I said, must subtract R*I^2 for correct estimation of the Ohmic heat losses because not only R1*I1^2 but also R2*I2^2 is obtained power. Your introduction of “wasted” and “useful” power is nonsense. If they subtract only R1*I^2 then they will overestimate the input power thus underestimating the OU effect. Let alone that there isn’t any “R2 in parallel with R1”.

[exnihiloest]

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Your introduction of “wasted” and “useful” power is nonsense.

The nonsense is to assert that the energy wasted in Joule losses are the same as the work done to align the electron spins.
If you are not able to distinguish wasted energy for heating a resistance from useful energy indirectly powering a motor via spin alignments, sure you will see overunity everywhere!

[Spartane]

Let R1 be the coil resistance, and R2 in parallel with R1, R2 being the equivalent resistance (seen from the pulse generator) of the process by which the coil current does work for aligning the electron spins of the ferrite core. Then R2*I2² is a usefull power and R1*I1² is the wasted power.
Steorn can measure only R1 (not R2 because R2 is dynamic and not accessible to ohmeters). He also measures only the total current of the circuit I=I1+I2. Then by presuming the losses are R1*I² instead of R1*I1², he over-estimates the Joule losses because I>I1.

The over-estimation of the Joule losses is a likely explanation of the hypothetical OU and can be proved false only by the evidence of a working selfrunning motor.

I think this is well said.  Here's another way to look at that dynamic resistance.  As the magnets begin to spin past the toroid, there is a large magnetic attraction between the magnets and the toroid that must be broken, or the magnet will reverse and stick at that point.  When the coil is energized, the magnetic lines of force attracting the magnets to the toroid must be broken and redirected inside of the toroid.  I think it is likely that this magnetic interaction requires energy -- energy that would not be reflected in the I^R heating measurement.