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To be honest I don't see anything glorifying in the tapes experiment GB provided. All you can see in his video is a physical proof of hysteresis loop (experiment good for school labs and not for explaining ORBO ). When you approach a magnetized tape to a magnet (or vice versa) you can see that they are repelling each other (of course it depends how you set the magnet - but let's say that they repell each other). For some time, when you keep approaching the tape to the magnet they still keep repelling each other. This will stay that way till the magnet will reach the point where magnetic field strength applied on the tape is = Hc (coercivity). Note, that till this happens you are moving on the second quarter of the tape's hysteresis loop graph. The distance it takes for the magnet to reach Hc point is quite big, because tapes are made in a way to not get erased easily when moved near magnetic field (big Hc values). Ok, now what happens when the magnet reaches Hc point ? We end up in the third quarter of the hysteresis loop - the tape is no longer magnetized and if you move the magnet closer to the tape, the tape will change the direction in which it will be magnetized. This will simply lead to the attraction between the magnet and the tape.

If you see anything special in it then you can also glorify me for explaining you this issue lol
Anyway I don't really see a way you can use this "effect" in ORBO
And if you keep insisting on the subject that we should use tapes as the cores for ORBO, please let me remind you that as PL said - Metglas cores are in fact tapes ;] So what ?

AirStriker, you really have a problem in finding a correlation between things.  You think the experiment I did is just showing a physical proof of a hysteresis loop, lol.  Of course it's showing a hysteresis loop, but it's showing you how to use it appropriately. 

You really think the Orbo doesn't have a hysteresis loop?  Of course the Orbo has a hysteresis loop, but it is using and controlling it so it can have an advantage.  Get Real and learn how to use and control the hysteresis loop the right way in order to have an advantage, and my experiment shows just how to do that.

Steorn says they control the MH position of materials during permanent magnetic interactions and they decouple the Counter Electromotive Force (CEMF) from torque for electromagnetic interactions. This decoupling of CEMF allows time variant magnetic interactions in electromagnetic systems, http://www.steorn.com/orbo/technology/

If you can't find a correlation between my magnetic recording tape experiment and how the MH positions could be controlled in order to decouple the CEMF from the torque in order to take advantage of it, then I feel really bad for you.

In fact, I've been talking about tape wound cores with a Namlite coating way before Neptune mentioned anything about the tape wound magnetic recording tape.  Tape wound cores can be made from many different materials, such as Finemet, Metglas, Nanoperm, magnetic recording tape, and other materials. 

The bottom line is, if you don't know what you are building and how to control the MH positions of the materials, then no materials will work for you because a different core material may need to be controlled differently using the same basic principles.  You must know what you're building and what the MH positions are before you can have success.  Don't believe me, then continue to overlook what I've been saying.

Most everybody here thinks all you need to do is saturate the core at TDC and that is it, other than the common sense things, such as having everything aligned properly, etc.  Keep on believing this lie, for it's the very reason why nobody has successfully replicated it so far.

GB

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The 4th paragraph below the first image you will find my words are almost identical to this page, http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_4.htm  The author of this page is claiming to be an expert on Cores and Transformers.

GB

This is not a transformer. It is an electromagnet.

This author also wrote the B2 Spice v.5 Electronic Circuit Simulation Software that is well known and used, http://www.beigebag.com/

He's not only an expert in transformers, but he also claims to be an expert on cores which make up an electromagnet.  In order to write a software package such as Spice, then I'm sure he knows what he's talking about, but yet you say he is wrong.  I'll take his words over what you say any day.  Also, one of the videos from MIT says the same thing this guy is saying, yet you say what I posted isn't right, when what I posted was almost word for word in the reference material. LOL

GB

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Most everybody here thinks all you need to do is saturate the core at TDC and that is it, other than the common sense things, such as having everything aligned properly, etc.  Keep on believing this lie, for it's the very reason why nobody has successfully replicated it so far.

GB, maybe if you translate your magnetic tape understanding into a concrete proposal how the pulse timing would look like in ORBO's situation that would increase enthusiasm.
That could open up eyes a bit quicker. Seeing the M-H mechanism in relation with the pulse switching will definitely boost the discussion.
Are you willing to explain that?
Thanks.

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GB, maybe if you  your magnetic tape understanding into a concrete proposal how the pulse timing would look like in ORBO's situation that would increase enthusiasm.
That could open up eyes a bit quicker. Seeing the M-H mechanism in relation with the pulse switching will definitely boost the discussion.
Are you willing to explain that?
Thanks.

I will explain it after I test it and have it on video.  It's easier said than done as we all know.

GB

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GB, maybe if you translate your magnetic tape understanding into a concrete proposal how the pulse timing would look like in ORBO's situation that would increase enthusiasm.
That could open up eyes a bit quicker. Seeing the M-H mechanism in relation with the pulse switching will definitely boost the discussion.
Are you willing to explain that?
Thanks.

I must say that I have given the M-H concept some thought and can only come up with one idea that seems to lead no where, but this is how it would work.

Suppose you took a toroidal ceramic magnet off the back of a speaker and neutralized it's field using a strong neodymium magnet so it has no real polarity remaining.
Wrap it with some heavy magnet wire to make an Orbo coil core that can retain it's field.

Now when the rotor magnet is at TDC, you would apply a large pulse and magnetize the core in a circular path around the core. This will leave the core in a state that will not be attracted by the rotor magnets since it is essentially the same as a loop of magnets placed end to end and the field is self consuming and contained.

At this point the rotor magnets will now continue on without further power or with reduced power to the core's coil.

The problem is , now the approaching rotor magnets will also not be attracted, until they get into a range that overcomes the contained field and breaks the self attraction within the core. (at least they are not repelled)

So every solution on one end causes a problem on the other end. It's just such a...... magnet like problem!

But some how it seems like there is a solution in there somewhere.