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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

QuoteI didn't say anything about R and frequency

I know and that's what you're missing. R is under discussion here. Recall, output power is I^2R. So, again, R is not frequency dependent.

QuoteHow can you not understand that frequency is part of this XL formula and is part of the Impedance formula.

Frequency may be part of the impedance formula but frequency is not part of the real term in this formula which is R. R is what is of interest here because, recall, output power is I^2R. The dissipative (Ohmic, active) resistance R is not frequency dependent. Like I said, that's elementary.


exnihiloest

Quote from: Omnibus on June 16, 2010, 10:17:28 PM
I know and that's what you're missing. R is under discussion here. Recall, output power is I^2R. So, again, R is not frequency dependent.
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Your confusion is due to the fact that R is not the value of the coil resistance alone. From the generator, components of R are also due to dynamical process such the work to align magnetic domains. These components of R viewed from the generator are not linear and are frequency dependant.



nappolean

I got a simple question that probally most of the people are thinking.
Does this device do Overunity? yes or no?
please bring proof of it.




thanks for your time,
Keep the good work up.

Omega_0

Quote from: exnihiloest on June 17, 2010, 03:06:50 AM
Your confusion is due to the fact that R is not the value of the coil resistance alone. From the generator, components of R are also due to dynamical process such the work to align magnetic domains. These components of R viewed from the generator are not linear and are frequency dependant.

Exnihiloest, you do have a valid hypothesis here. Some work is needed to align the domains and it will show up as increased intake from the power supply, so the I^2Rc will not reflect true power dissipated. However, and you must be knowing this, the domains re-align automatically and release the energy (as CEMF), which again dissipates in Rc, so over time all energy, whether direct heating of Rc or domain movement, turns up as heat.

I think that this heat is mostly in I^2Rc, I don't know any better. If you know some research papers etc that study the energy transfer in coils, please point us to them. How much do you think the R of domain alignment is ? Is it much bigger than Rc or tiny ? Anyone knows ???

If the R_domain is in parallel with Rc, then we have real problem, if it appears in series then OU is underestimated and is no problem. I don't know which case holds true here.

I'm suggesting two ways to settle this -

1- Use an air coil (well that was obvious) and see if OU effect is still there.
2- Since the domain alignment is again dissipated as heat (domain friction+CEMF current flowing in Rc), we need to measure heat directly, which brings it back to a calorimeter.
I have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing - Thomas Alva Edison

Omnibus

Quote from: exnihiloest on June 17, 2010, 03:06:50 AM
Your confusion is due to the fact that R is not the value of the coil resistance alone. From the generator, components of R are also due to dynamical process such the work to align magnetic domains. These components of R viewed from the generator are not linear and are frequency dependant.
No, you are the confused one. Why? Because you can produce no experimental evidence for your supposition. The problems lie elsewhere and I already spelled them out.