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Omnibus

#3420
June 20, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: LarryC on June 20, 2010, 11:43:49 AM
Thanks, but I don't expect Omnibus to admit he's wrong even after he understands.

In the pass he didn't have any equipment and no testing that I've seen. He usually made a statement like 'It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this (insert thread device) is OU'. But, no matter how many people asked for proof, he could show no proof and never admit that he was wrong.

Now he has access to University level equipment, large University blackboard, and a University quality test stand as can be seen on page 215, #3220. Did he inherit a University?

His ability to mislead others, has gone up a 100 fold. So it may be worth the trouble to insert a little truth.

Regards, Larry 



Cut out the insults at once. You're wrong, as I've already explained, and that doesn't allow you to insult people. You can't win an argument by insulting people. Educate yourself first and then you may find out how embarrassed you'll feel.

The funniest thing is that you don't realize that if I consider the cos(Phi) factor the OU effect I'm reporting will be way higher.

LarryC

#3421
June 20, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on June 20, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
The funniest thing is that you don't realize that if I consider the cos(Phi) factor the OU effect I'm reporting will be way higher.


Okay, lets use your 700kHz with cursors as an example. I'll just use your R as I don't know what value is Z. The phase angle is close to 90, so I'll  use 88 as cos(90) is zero and that would make all answers 0.


True power at cursor b = 17 V  * .002 A * cos(88)     b = .002^2 * 63 Ohms * cos(88)
                             b = 17  * .002 * .034899          b = .000004 * 63 * .034899
                             b = .001187                            b = .000009

Omni power at cursor b = 17 V * .002                       b= .002^2 * 63   
                             b  = .034                                b= .000252

You're welcome to show any other example, but since the cosine of all angles from 1 to 90 will be less than one, then True power answers will always be less than Omni power except at angle 0.


Regards, Larry
   

Omnibus

#3422
June 20, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
That's not only an incorrect way to calculate power but it makes the OU much higher than the OU I reported. It's for you to find out why. Let this homework teach you something so that you can get out of this silliness.

Bruce_TPU

#3423
June 20, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
Hi Omnibus,

Why not just increase the input power, at the frequency that shows the greatest OverUnity and then Rectify and Smooth the DC output for measurement.  This will (should) stop all of the arguments and show that either there is or there is not OU.  You may already have more than enough voltage to rectify it even now.

Keep up the good fight,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

LarryC

#3424
June 20, 2010, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: A link=topic=8411.msg246043#msg246043 A=1277074577
That's not only an incorrect way to calculate power but it makes the OU much A than the OU I reported.

Not true, that is a total lie.

Lets keep in mind that you first stated this: 'The funniest thing is that you don't realize that if I consider the cos(Phi) factor the OU effect I'm reporting will be way higher.'

The math I showed using cos(Phi) factor in my previous post proved that you are wrong, your OU is not higher with the True power formula(from the displayed text). In both cases True power is less than Omni power(from your excel formula's):

'True power at cursor b = 17 V  * .002 A * cos(88)     b = .002^2 * 63 Ohms * cos  (88)
                              b = 17  * .002 * .034899          b = .000004 * 63 * .034899
                              b = .001187                            b = .000009

Omni power at cursor b = 17 V * .002                       b= .002^2 * 63   
                              b  = .034                                b= .000252'

Isn't .001187 < than .034 and .000009 < than .000252 in Omni world?

But as usual, as you have done many times in the past, instead of being man enough to admit that you are wrong or show the math that is being presented is wrong, you decide to just state another lie.

It seems you have the delusional belief that just because you state an incorrect fact that people will believe you and you don't have to show any proof.

Quote from: Omnibus link=topic=8411.msg246043#msg246043 A=1277074577
'It's for you to find out why. Let this homework teach you something so that you can get out of this silliness.'
Homework for me? You did not even realize that the Cos of 1 to 90 angle, which is all less than one, would reduce the OU.


Regards, Larry






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