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[LarryC]

The hyperphysics formula is in terms of Vm and Im (the peak values) and it is for pure sine waves. Omnibus is not using Vm or Im in his calculations and does not assume his trace to be a pure sine wave, it can be of any shape. The wt and phi terms are taken care of automatically when you integrate samples.

Couldn't leave it along and just when I quit responding and only read this thread once in a while for laughs.

The integration formula is shown below. The 'Averaging over one period T of the sinusoidal function' means 1/2 cycle. Same as RMS and the only way to integrate correctly.

Vm or Im is not the peak values. Hyperphysics would specify V of Pk or I of Pk. The graph used that point just to make it easy to understand. But, I'm not at all amazed that the Omniworld geniuses didn't understand.

What is this constant Omniworld delusion with pure sine wave, these formulas or for any shape sine wave.

You have learned a lot about power formulas, now its time to go a step beyond and learn about basic integration.

Another lie, I started off trying to get Omnibus to use the Real Power formula. But that was a brick wall, so then I just tried to get him to just use a formula that had all positive on both sides, the instantaneous formula clears that up. The only thing that I did learn was the correct formula for instantaneous power and the correct way to integrate, which uses only the half cycle at phase angle.

Other are right about the fact that you need to get off this thread. Steorn had Pulsed DC, an inductor, moving magnets, real EE's, and high end equipment. All you have is high end equipment.

You should call it 'OMNIWORLD OU FROM REACTIVE POWER'. Thousands have tried for over a century and all failed. But I'm sure that it is no problem for the geniuses at Omniworld.

All non Omniworld people know that you will come up with more lame excuses not to use the correct formula, but why try, your incorrect I^2 R will still be much higher than the real power answer. At least you'll be half right for once.


Regards, Larry

[broli]

Couldn't leave it along and just when I quit responding and only read this thread once in a while for laughs.

The integration formula is shown below. The 'Averaging over one period T of the sinusoidal function' means 1/2 cycle. Same as RMS and the only way to integrate correctly.

Vm or Im is not the peak values. Hyperphysics would specify V of Pk or I of Pk. The graph used that point just to make it easy to understand. But, I'm not at all amazed that the Omniworld geniuses didn't understand.

What is this constant Omniworld delusion with pure sine wave, these formulas or for any shape sin wave.



Another lie, I started off trying to get Omnibus to use the Real Power formula. But that was a brick wall, so then I just tried to get him to just use a formula that had all positive on both sides, the instantaneous formula clears that up. The only thing that I did learn was the correct formula for instantaneous power and the correct way to integrate, which uses only the half cycle at phase angle.

Other are right about the fact that you need to get off this thread. Steorn had Pulsed DC, an inductor, moving magnets, real EE's, and high end equipment. All you have is high end equipment.

You should call it 'OMNIWORLD OU FROM REACTIVE POWER'. Thousands have tried for over a century and all failed. But I'm sure that it is no problem for the geniuses at Omniworld.

All non Omniworld people know that you will come up with more lame excuses not to use the correct formula, but why try, your incorrect I^2 R will still be much higher than the real power answer. At least you'll be half right for once.


Regards, Larry

At least we agree on one thing. This deserves its own thread.

[Omnibus]

@LarryC,

This is not the place to study this subject and straighten out your confusion. You have to come up prepared for such discussions. Citing pages the essence of which is vague to you will not substitute for your own efforts to understand the matter. I am happy that you enjoy yourself and come here for laughs but your enjoyment concerns only you and nobody else, especially when you are the one to be laughed at.

[Omnibus]

@teslaalset,

I'm trying to open your Excel file and I could succeed to a certain extent (my Excel 2010 still hasn't arrived and the one I'm using is working just half-heartedly). When I change the values in the highlighted area all the rest turns into errors. Is it me or there's something in the file itself (I guess it's the former)? What version of Excel is your file prepared with?

[teslaalset]

As promised my next version of Omnibus RC power calculations.
It includes earlier calcuations.
The file is zipped due to its size.

I have added power and energy graphs.
Those were derived from the 'Signal & Pwr Curve calculations' tab, where I calculated current and voltage curves, both at input and output.

With this improvement my model shows that avarage input and output power and energy equals over time, but can vary at specific time moments.
It very important to understand that integration should be done over exactly N (N= 1, 2, 3, 4, etc) times one cycle to be able to compare avarage input and output energy consumption.

Note
This Excel file uses the 'COMPLEX' functions, which, by default, are not installed. You can activate these by following instructions:

Install the Analysis ToolPak if COMPLEX returns the #NAME? error value. Select the Add-Ins menu item from the Tools menu, check the box next to the Analysis ToolPak and click on the OK button to install the Analysis ToolPak.