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[teslaalset]

@Teslaalset,
Are you an EE?

Regards, Larry

Yes, indeed.
But open to discuss 'old school' education.

[teslaalset]

@teslaalset,

Recall the theory behind this finding: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg246674#msg246674. Therefore, what we're looking for here is to find such conditions (such capacitance) which will not only change the voltage measured across the whole system (across capacitance plus resistance and not only across the resistance) but will also change the current in such a way that the new current, in addition to leading the voltage, will have a value different from the value of the current which would correspond by Ohm's law to that new, changed voltage and resistance.

Here's an example of a simulation, based on your I and V data but with a proper phase shift (current leading voltage) for, say 0.001Ohm resistance. Try to find conditions (by changing the capacitance value) where such relationship can be observed experimentally. Maybe you can suggest a different Ohmic resistance value. That's fine, as long as that could simulate a real experiment. With this sim I'm showing you that simulation of the experimentally observed effect is possible. Also, notice, we're not interested in anything else but the real part of the impedance and the overall spent energy, based on the I and V applied to the whole system. Never mind other details.

@Omnibus,
Can you give me the input amplitude, frequency and component values for this calculations, so I can apply them in my simulation model and see where differences occur?

[broli]

@ all,
Does anyone else have problems with altering the numbers in the excel file I posted earlier?

I have the same issue as omnibus, working with excel 2007.

[Omnibus]

@teslaalset,

@Omnibus,
Can you give me the input amplitude, frequency and component values for this calculations, so I can apply them in my simulation model and see where differences occur?

Too bad I can't resolve the Excel issues. The question I'm asking myself is -- would standard theory predict what I'm seeing experimentally. In other words, what should the capacitance be in a RC circuit where R is 100Ohms so that when you apply a 700kHz signal of 15.6V amplitude the current will both be leading the voltage by 87 (probably?) degrees and not have an amplitude of 0.156A, as would be according to Ohm's law, but would be of amplitude, say, 0.007A. I'm asking myself that question because if such capacitance can be found theoretically from the standard theory then the standard theory would also predict that there will be overunity, as we have alraedy seen. It would be nice, if such capacitance exists, to simulate the I and V and show directly the energy-time calculation we've been doing lately, demonstrating OU from first principles. Such simulation will also overthrow any suggestions for experimental errors when answering the yes or no question regarding the reality of OU.

[broli]

@teslaalset,

Too bad I can't resolve the Excel issues. The question I'm asking myself is -- would standard theory predict what I'm seeing experimentally. In other words, what should the capacitance be in a RC circuit where R is 100Ohms so that when you apply a 700kHz signal of 15.6V amplitude the current will both be leading the voltage by 87 (probably?) degrees and not have an amplitude of 0.156A, as would be according to Ohm's law, but would be of amplitude, say, 0.007A. I'm asking myself that question because if such capacitance can be found theoretically from the standard theory then the standard theory would also predict that there will be overunity, as we have alraedy seen. It would be nice, if such capacitance exists, to simulate the I and V and show directly the energy-time calculation we've been doing lately, demonstrating OU from first principles. Such simulation will also overthrow any suggestions for experimental errors when answering the yes or no question regarding the reality of OU.

Here's a simple circuit to inspect current flow quikly:

$ 1 1.0E-8 56.303023683595114 55 5.0 50
v 256 320 256 144 0 1 25000.0 15.6 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 256 144 416 144 0 100.0
c 416 144 416 320 0 1.0E-10 4.328715655815626
w 256 320 416 320 0
o 2 64 0 35 18.707220957835556 0.001461501637330903 0 -1
o 2 64 0 289 10.0 0.0015625 1 -1

Again copy & paste that into the "import" part at the applet that opens when going to http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

Using 15.6V, 700kHz, 100ohm and 100pf parameters, the current only has an amplitude of 0.245mA. Which is 2.85 times lower than your current...

Isn't that the exact same OU amount you are measuring  .