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[Groundloop]

@Omnibus,

Sorry, I did miss that post where you tested the square waves.

It should not be impossible to make a sine wave oscillator at 700KHz.
I will look into this but it will take some time due to other planned tasks.
What bothers me is that I can't see any practical circuit to get the
power out, right now. This will be the most difficult task, I think.

Groundloop.

[Omnibus]

@Omnibus,

Sorry, I did miss that post where you tested the square waves.

It should not be impossible to make a sine wave oscillator at 700KHz.
I will look into this but it will take some time due to other planned tasks.
What bothers me is that I can't see any practical circuit to get the
power out, right now. This will be the most difficult task, I think.

Groundloop.

Yeah, I know. That's the next thing to be discussed. I can't see how this can be done at the low power levels we got now in view of the enormous losses. Too bad there are no resources to study the effect at higher levels of power. Nevertheless, it would be good to start with making a converter and seeing that at the output of that converter, when powered by a cap, we get the desired forms of waves.

[Groundloop]

@Omnibus,

Agree on the argument of higher power levels. It should be possible to make
a RF amplifier for 700KHz. But my earlier builds always did turn up to waste
a lot of power as heat. So if you want, say, 100 Watt out to the load then
the amplifier itself will waste almost 100 Watt to do it. I have also built radio tube
amplifiers and the same story there, a lot of heat in the tubes has to be removed.
We must find a way to make a good sinus wave at medium power without wasting
all our COP amplification as heat. A very difficult task.

Groundloop.

[teslaalset]

Now they are trying to figure out a way to get real power from the reactive power. Do you think it is possible?

I am still behind in reading the history of this thread to have a strong opinion.
We all know that great inventions and technologies that seems quite normal right now were judged as ridiculous only a century ago.
Looking beyond this puzzle, what concerns me is where does the claimed extra energy come from?
This is what causes me to be careful in my believes.

As for Steorn, I am convinced the claimed OU comes from conversion of environmental heat to electrical current.
I've read enough scientific papers to see a common factor of this phenomenon that justifies excess of electrical energy. It's not OU though, but simply conversion of energy.

[teslaalset]

@teslaalset,

Recall the theory behind this finding: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg246674#msg246674. Therefore, what we're looking for here is to find such conditions (such capacitance) which will not only change the voltage measured across the whole system (across capacitance plus resistance and not only across the resistance) but will also change the current in such a way that the new current, in addition to leading the voltage, will have a value different from the value of the current which would correspond by Ohm's law to that new, changed voltage and resistance.

Here's an example of a simulation, based on your I and V data but with a proper phase shift (current leading voltage) for, say 0.001Ohm resistance. Try to find conditions (by changing the capacitance value) where such relationship can be observed experimentally. Maybe you can suggest a different Ohmic resistance value. That's fine, as long as that could simulate a real experiment. With this sim I'm showing you that simulation of the experimentally observed effect is possible. Also, notice, we're not interested in anything else but the real part of the impedance and the overall spent energy, based on the I and V applied to the whole system. Never mind other details.

@Omnibus,
My model will not be able to show such large differences between input and output energy.
It will show, under any condition, that after integrating over a numerical number of sinus periods the input energy is equal to the output energy. This is inherent to the model I have implemented from theory.
Now that you have the ability to change values yourself in my model, please try.

In practice, at 700 KHz, the model may not be valid anymore.
So, I am not saying your measurements are not correct.
This may be the reason for differences between theory and good practice.
I will have a look later on at the 3 examples you showed, to see how close simulations are to your measured values to understand these differences.

[EDIT]
Are you saying that in practice a different phase maybe caused by none ideal components used?
This different phase shift causes the OU, right?