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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

Quote from: teslaalset on July 01, 2010, 11:06:21 AM
Almost good, but you overlooked the time constant in cell A4.
The 800000 should be replaced by 700000.

Such errors are very easily made. That's why I made my model such that you only have to change the main parameters in the yellow highlighted cells.

But, see, if you do that you'll get more than one full cycle and we need to have a full cycle to integrate over. So, these time values, based on 800000kHz are whatever it takes to have a full cycle, using the 700000kHz in the formuli.

skcusitrah

I would suggest that a real simulation program be used. Try LTSpice (free) or the free evaluation version of OrCAD PSPice.

At any rate, a lot of traveling in circles here. No simulation will show OU. Also, incorrect assumptions are being made about the presence of circuit inductance. See the attached for how a tiny amount will skew your measurements and calculations.

If anyone wants the PSpice circuit files for this simulation, I'll post them.

Omnibus

@skcusitrah,

Thanks a lot for the write up but the problem should be resolved along the lines we've undertaken here. No simulation software can be a substitute for the transparent modeling that's being done here. The only thing that would be an advance, like I said, would be the analytical approach and for this we need an experienced mathematician, if that can at all be solved analytically.

As for the inductance, there's obviously no inductance in the RC circuit we're exploring , so there's no need to bring in this point. As far as the experiment goes, inductance is a non-issue there as well. That is taken care of by the Hall effect current probe.

teslaalset

Quote from: Omnibus on July 01, 2010, 11:21:30 AM
But, see, if you do that you'll get more than one full cycle and we need to have a full cycle to integrate over. So, these time values, based on 800000kHz are whatever it takes to have a full cycle, using the 700000kHz in the formuli.

@Omnibus,
What I normally do is integrate over 360 or a multiple of 360 degrees.
For this I calculate a time fragment that corresponds with 1 degree.
This time fregment can be used for each row.
Then calculate a multiple of 360 rows.

Omnibus

Quote from: teslaalset on July 01, 2010, 01:09:24 PM
@Omnibus,
What I normally do is integrate over 360 or 720 degrees.
For this I calculate a time fragment that corresponds with 1 degree.
Such a model is much easier to handle.

I know, but we want it as a function of time. That's how the equations we're testing are set. One thing I have to do is extend the time frame to have more full cycles rather than have just one full cycle as we do now. That may answer the question I myself posed.