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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

It seems that splitting on the positive side is due to a slight current offset. That current offset may e due to some unnoticeable voltage offset which is difficult to detect because of the high voltage value. The output power is only current dependent (for a given R) so any offset in current will show itself in such type of graph.

Omnibus

Here are parts of the current and voltage data taken when the voltage probe is at 1X as opposed to 10X (I have only given part of the curves for clarity). It is seen that there is a slight difference but that is what makes all the difference in the world.

Now, here's the crucial question that I'm asking myself once again -- is the voltage and the current I'm observing when using the 1X probe the true voltage and the true current applied to my RC? It is obvious the 1X probe causes changes in what's applied to the RC but I'll gladly do these changes in what the pulse generator supplies at any time because that gives me OU. Now it happened so that the favorable changes are induced by the 1X probe (while the 10X doesn't induce such favorable changes). However, again, are these I and V the real I and V across the R and C or they just seem such because of current passing through the 1X probe (because it has low input impedance) and that messes up the voltage readings (as well as the current readings)?

Omnibus

In trying to determine which one of the two probes, 1X or 10X, would give more accurate results I divided the V and I values measured across a 10Ohm resistor within one period and plotted them as a function of time. It is seen that the 1X probe gives more accurate results for the most part of the period and should be preferred for this type of measurement.

Omnibus

I think I got to the bottom of this. Overunity is possible in these circuits because of the natural possibility to induce asymmetry between the applied current and voltage. Thus, the pulse generator may be tuned up so that the applied voltage can have a certain favorable offset. The RC circuit, however, makes it so that the current flowing through it doesn't have offset. This is an extremely fortunate circumstance provided by Nature which allows us to design circuits generating excess energy. As a detail, as you can see from the graphs presented, the 1X-10X conundrum is a not an issue any more (if it has ever been an issue, as I presumed). What remains now is to complete the theoretical writeup I posted some pages back and supplement it with this new finding -- the possibility to generate OU just by inducing offset in the voltage. I always knew this problem is exciting but never expected to find such an elegant outcome.

teslaalset

@Omnibus,
I am out of sync again with your findings.
The above graphs don't show OU according to my understanding.
Can you help me out here understanding the observed OU?

B.t.w. I could do some scripting to find the optimum offset in this case.