STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[k4zep]

Hi Ben,
many thanks for the scopeshot !
Well , now we know, that with a good setup this will work.

60 mV with so many coil windings on neodym magnets is pretty low
at almost 1000RPM.
If you would take a normal coil with the same number of windings
and would use it, the induced voltage would be probably a few volts,
so we can say that the motor to generator effect is very asymmentrical,
what we also need for an OU motor.

So it seems the toroidal coil does not work well as a generator
and so the counterEMF(induction into the coil while motor is running)
is very much suppressed which
is a very good sign that this motor is just a motor  and not a generator.

This way it can be designed as an OU motor with stronger magnets  and the
right mechanical and electrical setup with BackEMF extraction and short gap magnetic
flux pathes.( low magnetic flux losses)

Gentleman all,

I won't even get into the discussion about back EMF and which way the current flows, that was in E001,......We are so far beyond basic theories, whipping that old dog is like spinning your wheels and not getting anywhere.  Build a darn motor, sit down with scope and you will see EXACTLY the way the current flows.  Build a standard Bedini, single diode out to a separate battery......Everything is right in front of your eyes, polarity included!  Look UP gentleman, quit looking back, its non-productive!  If you want to fuss, go in set down with your wife (bettery half)  and try to have a conversation about FREE ENERGY!!!!!

The best thing about this burst of creativeness I have had building this motor is all the NEW ideas that the process gave me.  You have 100 good ideas and one turns out to be great. This has had to kick others into action too!   One new idea is a gravity powered cloaked magnet enhanced pendulum for one....think about it.  That is as far off topic as I will get.  There are other applications of this "cloaking" effect that will have much more FAR reaching effects and I don't think Stoern will be the one to do it.....time will tell.  What a great year to look forward to!

Respectfully,

Ben

[interestedinou]

You shouldn't get to hung on the term fly"back". Think of it as the inductor wanting to keep the momentum of the current going. When the voltage source is removed or flipped the inductor produces a voltage to maintain current flow. In AC this results in a phase shift and 0 energy dissipation (perfect inductor). In DC this results in energy being dumped back into the source in a perfect linear fashion (again for perfect inductors).

So lets say I have the following simple circuit.

A battery with a positive terminal with a wire leading to a reed switch that leads to an electromagnet that then leads to the negative terminal of the battery.

When the reed switch is closed the current flows from positive to negative.

If I open the reed switch will there be a rush of "positive" polarity going back towards the reed switch?

[interestedinou]

Hi IOU,

Hang loose on the battery charging circuit.  I want to be sure before I post anything on that.  I know how the Bedini works as have built lots of them but this is a different turkey  Just for thought, a separate coil for isolation and then a FAST high peak current FWBR offset for battery switching voltage ought to work but time will tell.  I'm not ignoring your question, just want to be sure.  Working on video of voltage and current, can only do so much so fast and I am NOT a video edit type person.......arrggghhh.

Respectfully
Ben

I appreciate that you are working to answer my question.

By the way, if you could please include in the answer which way the current flows when the field of the electromagnet collapses it would be appreciated.

[interestedinou]

Sorry guys, I have to disagree on the fly-back.
If you ground one end of a coil, then apply a current to the other end, when the current is removed the collapsing field will cause the current to flow the opposite direction of the applied current.

Anytime a current flows, a field is generated that opposes the current direction. When the current stops, the field that was opposing the current direction still exists, so the current flows backward until the field has fully collapsed.

Make sense?

I think you are correct. However, I would like other people's opinions.

[lumen]

Current actually flows from the negative but that is something for another point.

In your case, If you have one side of a coil connected to ground or negative, then you connect the other end to positive for a short pulse, the instant the connection is broken.
The end of the coil, that was positive will (fly back) toward ground but will surpass the ground point and move even more negative to a point that can damage electrical components.
This is exactly why a diode is usually placed across the coil to short this spike and prevent damage to components.
This is what they mean when the say recover the fly back in a way that can be used to recharge the battery.

I cannot understand why anyone would think the current continues to flow forward.
It may be something above me and I just don't see how at this time, but I'm always open to another view.