STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[k4zep]

To All,

Once a theory is expressed.  Talking about it is useless unless you  build a device to demonstrate it.  I have thousands of "theories" but 90% of the theories I have tried never worked (usually because my knowledge base is incomplete or mis-understood by myself as I have eaten crow so often that I have acquired a taste for it!), ever so often when you build something you have that eureka moment and that makes it worth while.  So.......all good ideas and theories accepted on face value but based on my and I'm sure each person on the list personal set of filters mentally we will accept it or reject it.  That does NOT mean it is good or bad, just how each individual see's it.  Example....THEORY.......

It is purposed that the Steorm motor is where the OU is developed.  I feel that theory is probably correct.  Others may not feel the same but until we build a device that conclusively proves either/or, it is just a theory and not a working fact. Please don't get upset if I don't jump up and down, say hooray, what a great theory, just give your theory, then build a working model of theory and we can all jump on the bandwagen at the same time!!!!!   I will become very cross and irritated if the a theory is repeated again and again....That won't make it work.  A working model is where the rubber meets the road.

I remain.....
Respectfully,
Ben

[Omnibus]

I'm very open minded about Steorn having the smoking gun, but the people who keep saying there's not bemf are wrong, and I've already explained it. Again, you cannot do the bemf tests without any current in toroid coil. The toroid coil *must* have current going through it if you want to see the bemf. Many pages back in this thread I told Ben how to measure this, and how it's working, but it seems this was ignored.

That's correct. I've emphasized it too here and in another forum.

[PaulLowrance]

It might be mechanical if you consider magnetic viscosity part of the mechanical aspect. I believe Steorn's first demo long ago was purely mechanical (no coils & batteries), but Steorn claims that motor was self-running even though they had problems with the bearings supposedly because of sharp sudden jolting movements.

This new design of Steorn is also probably driven by magnetic viscosity in terms of excess energy.

How the permeability motor works:
The magnet approaches the toroid, and magnetizes it. The effective permeability at this point is low. The toroid turns on during this low permeability stage. The magnets then move away thus increasing the effective permeability, and the toroid coil then turns off, but the effective permeability is higher than when they turned on. That is how the electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy, because of the change in permeability. That's why long ago in this thread I called it a permeability motor and requested Ben to do the experiment so you people could how it's working.

That's not to say Steorn's motor is not producing excess energy. We'll have to see, and I'm hopeful, but it's far far far more complex than what's being said here. The bemf is there when the current is on, and it requires current to make the motor spin. This motor does have bemf.

[lumen]

I'm very open minded about Steorn having the smoking gun, but the people who keep saying there's not bemf are wrong, and I've already explained it. Again, you cannot do the bemf tests without any current in toroid coil. The toroid coil *must* have current going through it if you want to see the bemf. Many pages back in this thread I told Ben how to measure this, and how it's working, but it seems this was ignored.

IMO the excess energy effect, if any, is in the magnetic viscosity.

Enjoy

But isn't this the exact time the current is flowing, when the rotor magnets are leaving the coil?

I think the OU does not occur in the Steorn demonstration, only the effect of no BEMF.

The real OU has to do with the orientation of the toroid coil and the rotor magnets setup like in the operating display.
The core material is also very important!

If this effect is indeed real, the most power would then be produced in a MEG device where everything could be controlled more efficiently.

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Paul,

I remember the post and accepted it as a theory.  Also the theory of magnetic viscosity is not mentioned in nominal magnetic writings.
Would you like to elaborate on the magnetic viscosity theory?  All ideas at this point are considered and appreciated.

Respectfully.
Ben

How I explained this permeability motor is not my theory. It's conventional physics and is easily seen in FEMM. As far as magnetic viscosity, I already gave you link to my wikipedia user page. You probably forgot because I mentioned that it's my old magnetic research and would probably bore you.

Again, for anyone only reading this post without reading my other posts, I *am* saying there's a good chance the eOrbo obtains excess energy, but it's more complex than what's being said in this thread.