STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

@MileHigh,

On the contrary. Rotational kinetic energy does count. If the energy balance shows that rotational kinetic energy plus the heat is greater than the electrical input energy that will be a genuine OU machine.

[broli]

@Ben:

Could you try this generator mode experiment out. While the motor is being spun, you put the scope probes across the toroid leads. Then what you do is grab the toroid by hand and start playing around with it by orientating it differently with angles and what not. And see how the scope behaves. What you are trying to looking for is whether the amplitude of the voltage increases when in a certain orientation if not we can say that orientation doesn't matter for generation mode.

[broli]

Please keep in mind that there is no mechanical energy coming out of your motor or Steorn's motor. 

Someone advized me to just ignore your bullshit but sometimes it aches too much to ignore. The sentence above proves this once again.

Maybe you have been oblivious to the fact that Steorn is directly converting mechanical energy to electrical using a conventional generator mounted on top. It will be intresting to see how you will down play this episode of yours. You have some people fooled here but you won't fool me.

[MileHigh]

Paul has made comments about a cooling effect with his setup.  This is most likely due to the increased air velocity and there is a real explanation for it but I am not qualified to give it.  Plus the fact that the thermal temperature reading gun sees an "pulsed" image of the rotating magnets so who knows what that will do to to the readings.  He has also made references to magnetic viscosity being the "key" and I don't buy it at all.  There is no possible mechanism for magnetic viscosity to generate energy, it's just a pipe dream.  Early on in the thread he mentioned it possibly came "from the vacuum" and I don't buy that either.  I don't get what Paul is talking about when he says that you have to measure the BEMF when current is flowing in the coil.  As I stated previously, with the coils being driven by a battery source, the small amount of measurable BEMF will be manifested by a slight modulation in the current flowing through the toroidal coil.  Finally, Paul mentioned that something like "It is not as simple as it seems" and I don't buy that either.

Ben's and Steorn's setups are quite simple, Lenz's Law applies but you don't see much in terms of Lens's Law effects when you use a toroidal coil because the coil windings tend to cancel each other out.

Omnibus:

On the contrary. Rotational kinetic energy does count. If the energy balance shows that rotational kinetic energy plus the heat is greater than the electrical input energy that will be a genuine OU machine.

The rotational kinetic energy of the rotor does not count.  That energy just represents the accumulated energy from the electrical pulses from when the motor starts at zero RPM until it reaches its steady-state speed.  In Ben's and Steorn's clips, the motors run at a constant RPM and drive no mechanical load.  You cannot add the rotational kinetic energy to the heat produced and compare that to the electrical input energy.  That statement makes no sense on several levels.  The rotational kinetic energy is expressed in Joules and the heat energy is expressed in Watts.  The electrical input energy (Joules) is in reality the electrical input power (Watts).

Broli:

Someone advized me to just ignore your bullshit but sometimes it aches too much to ignore. The sentence above proves this once again.

Maybe you have been oblivious to the fact that Steorn is directly converting mechanical energy to electrical using a conventional generator mounted on top. It will be intresting to see how you will down play this episode of yours. You have some people fooled here but you won't fool me.

You have attached me viciously several times now in this thread and I want it to stop right now.

Stefan, if you are reading this could you please tell Broli to stop attacking me?

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

I am going to comment on Paul's depiction of how the motor works:

How the permeability motor works:The magnet approaches the toroid, and magnetizes it. The effective permeability at this point is low. The toroid turns on during this low permeability stage. The magnets then move away thus increasing the effective permeability, and the toroid coil then turns off, but the effective permeability is higher than when they turned on. That is how the electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy, because of the change in permeability. That's why long ago in this thread I called it a permeability motor and requested Ben to do the experiment so you people could how it's working.

That's not to say Steorn's motor is not producing excess energy. We'll have to see, and I'm hopeful, but it's far far far more complex than what's being said here. The bemf is there when the current is on, and it requires current to make the motor spin. This motor does have bemf.

For starters, here is now the motor works:  During the approach phase of the rotor magnet to the core, the magnet is attracted to the ferrite core of the toroid.  We will assume that at top-dead-center the toroidal coil is energized and saturates the core.  During the departure phase of the rotor magnet leaving the core, there is no more attraction between the magnet and the core because the core is saturated.  Therefore the rotor picks up a net gain in rotational energy from the rotor magnet being attracted to the toroidal core during the approach phase only.

The magnet approaches the toroid, and magnetizes it. The effective permeability at this point is low.

We will assume that the rotor magnet does not come anywhere near saturating the toroidal core because of the distance and overall geometry of the setup.  Therefore the permeability of the core remains high in this case.

The toroid turns on during this low permeability stage. The magnets then move away thus increasing the effective permeability

Once the toroidal coil energizes the ferrite core we are going to assume that the field generated by the coil dominates over the external field of the moving rotor magnet and the core remains saturated.  Therefore when the magnets move away, the permeability of the core does not change.  The core remains saturated and has a low "invisible" permeability.  Only after the current flowing through the toroidal coil shuts off does the core regain its high permeability by virtue of the fact that it is not in saturation any more.

the toroid coil then turns off, but the effective permeability is higher than when they turned on. That is how the electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy, because of the change in permeability.

The first sentence is kind of hard to understand.  You can say that "electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy, because of the change in permeability" but that is rather obtuse and hard to understand.  Electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy because you selectively burned electrical power to prevent the deceleration of the rotor during the departure phase when the magnet is leaving the vicinity of the ferrite toroidal core.  The acceleration of the rotor was due to the attraction of the magnet to the toroidal code during the arrival phase.  Therefore the Steon and Ben's setups are a form of attraction motor.

We'll have to see, and I'm hopeful, but it's far far far more complex than what's being said here.

It's actually all really quite simple because both of Steorn's setups and Ben's setups are normal under unity motors that obey Lenz's laws and all of the other laws governing energy interaction.

The real thing is to look at the power out vs. power in and try to understand how that works for any pulse motor, including the Steorn pulse motor setups.   You are going to have to look into your hearts and souls to try to figure out why Sean claims his pulse motor setups are over unity devices when in fact they aren't.

Why didn't they simply use a capacitor?

Or, perhaps more importantly they could have done the following for the main Lucite motor setups:

1.  Connect the differential voltage probe across the 1.5 volt source battery.
2.  Connect the current probe to the output wire from the battery powering the motor.
3.  Push a button on the high-end DSO and get an output power reading.
4.  Connect the current probe to the power return wire coming from the generator coils section.
5.  Push a button on the high-end DSO and get an input power reading.
6.  Compare the power reading in step #5 with the power reading in step #3 to confirm or deny their claim of three times the power being returned to the battery as compared to what was being consumed by the battery.

Stop and think for a second.  They had all of the measurement equipment in place and it would have taken a maximum of 10 minutes to make the measurements above but they did not do it.  Look into your hearts and souls and try to find the answer to that question.

MileHigh