STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Staffman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yurZxrKkeo&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM

"As you can see, the moving magnets do generate EMF in the coil; when the coil is energised with a DC current, the magnitude of the EMF generated by the magnets decreases, as shown on the oscilloscope.

What is yet to be determined is whether the EMF is actually decreasing as a result of "shielding", or being smoothed out by the battery, acting much like a capacitor to smooth ripple."

Edited:
You were rotating the magnet around the face of the toroid. Can you try moving the magnet across the face of the toroid? JLN's scope shot of the unpowered coil test showed no emf from the moving magnets.

[mondrasek]

This is something like a permanent magnet OU motor whereby, as a separate system, there are coils having perfect energy balance.

Exactly.  I was going for it being a permanent magnet motor utilizing magnetic shielding.  The magnetic shielding is electromagnetic in nature and does not directly drive the rotor.

Magnets and gravity are (were?) considered conservative fields of force.  If it is possible to shield a magnet, then you can build a permanent magnet motor, like eOrbo.  If we can shield mass (gravity) we can do the same with a gravity motor (only we don't know how to shield mass, right?).  So sadly I don't see this principle being able to be used to make a gravity motor, as many hoped might be possible.  But what does that matter?  Permanent magnets are sooo much more powerful than gravity.

I'm curious how placing another static permanent magnet on the back side of the toroids ultimately increases the rotor torque (and how was that measured)?  I can understand that additional static magnet increasing the initial attraction of the rotor magnet (added to the ferrite toroid attraction).  But doesn't that static magnet work to slow the rotor after it passes by?  Or does saturating the toroid shield the rotor from the permanent stator magnet as well?  Any clarification would be appreciated.

Edited to add:  Okay, I realized the orientation of callanan's stator magnets was critical and wouldn't cause the drag I was concerned with.  So the toroid shields the sticky point of that stator magnet, or is the added attraction of the toroid enough to get through it?

[tinu]

@ Staffman,

Those are not my experiments; I’ve just quoted from the description on youtube.
(TK was once a reputable member of this site but I guess he left us).

Yes, I’ve seen JLN’s results.
On the un-powered coil test I can say not more than: totally insufficient RPM. Is that a joking experiment?! I mean turning the wheel by hand at maybe 1-200rpm or less and after doing that claiming there is no induced voltage?!
As Ben here remarked (and I do not know anyone else here but him alone being aware of this fact), a toroid is ultimately a one turn coil; hence it will always pick up external induction although the phenomenon largely pass unnoticed. Moreover, a toroidal coil does confine most of the magnetic field in itself but not all or the transformers could not work… I would detail if not clear enough but I have to leave now…

On short, regarding the TK’s experiments and the original question, the reasoning I’ve provided in my posts is based on his results but it should be generally applicable and not dependant on the position of the toroid in respect to magnets.
If the above does not respond to your question, please be more specific and I’ll respond later or tomorrow.

Best regards,
Tinu

[PaulLowrance]

I would strongly recommend researchers read my post in the other thread,

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8528.msg217992#msg217992

I am now convinced this excess energy effect is not stable (yet) like we would all want it to be. As you can see in my post in the other thread, this instability issue is seen all over the place.

So everyone here is advised to consider this during their measurements, otherwise it could be almost impossible to detect if you're expecting a machine that will run continuosly like an Energizer battery. IMO a lot of people here and throughout history have seen this excess energy, but it quickly goes away (still unknown why) with usage, and recovers from non-usage.  Surely there's a way to get around this, to quickly "reset" the effect.

Anyhow, I would encourage everyone to monitor the temperatures of the toroid core & magnets, as this is one indication of the effect, or at least it occurred in my replication version of the eOrbo.

So yes, last night I confirmed without a doubt that the core temperature did drop rapidly *below ambient*, that it was *not* due to air circulation. And the spinning magnets do not effect the IR gun. Also I used a contact temperature probe, which confirmed the cooling effect. Last night I completed the various control experiments. IMO it's confirmed.

[Omnibus]

So, what we have here is a Walter Torbay motor of a cat chasing its tail but the consecutive gaps the rotor chases don't come from within the construction but are created separately and independently, using pulsed powered toroids. That's vey clever, indeed.

One thing that remains is to really prove conclusively rotor couples only magnetically to the cores and doesn't influence one bit the electrical characteristics of the coils. To prove that scope traces at much higher sensitivity have to be presented than those shown by Sean on the 19th. Unltimately, one has to have this well-crafted contraption and study it with high-end equiment as the one Sean uses, to reach conclusive proof.