STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Reincarnate]

If you mean by that that rotor turns at the expense of a few watts from the power supply then not only that's not an Orbo but its OU status is questionable. Rotor should not use any of the energy supplied by the power source.

That is quite a leap from what is known about both devices Omnibus.

To suggest that how one performs over the other is a departure from what I stated. "That they use the same basic process"

Next when one of them has not even been demonstrated or publically evaluated other than to show a prime mover and a scope shot from a company that failed to live into it's last claim is quite a leap of faith. Again has nothing to do with "same basic process"

Thane is using an off the shelf grinder motor and so the efficiency is quite low. His motor is MUCH LARGER so the current draw is not linear between the two. Thane is slow to refine as he is bogged down by outside influences such as NASA, DOE and CIA asking for replications.. the usual suspects.

Compare the apples to the apples you can see, not the oranges you imagine or have been told exist.

[Omnibus]

It's true more evidence is needed to sustain the Orbo claim which is that the rotor draws no energy from the power supply. As far as I understand Thane Heins' rotor does draw energy from the power supply and that makes it an entirely different invention. You're right about bogging down but even a greater obstacle is poverty. Overwhelmingly those with the bright ideas are poor and that prevents them from bringing their ideas to fruition. Sean as head of Steorn isn't that poor and he could accomplish the objective to prove conclusivelu the reality of an OU machine (I'm not even concerned about bringing it to the market). Unfortunately, Steorn is a business and business is opposite to science.

[callanan]

Hi All,

I always knew of Steorn over the past few years because of their publicity but I was and am still pretty green in terms of understanding their technology prior to December the 15th 2009. I have had some correspondance with JLN in the past day or two and he has made me aware of the following which is very interesting.

"US 2009/0009157 A1 : SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR MEASURING ENERGY IN MAGNETIC INTERACTIONS : An apparatus and method is provided for measuring magnetic force response time due to the magnetic viscosity of materials and for measuring total energy exchanged due to relative motion of magnetic materials. Voltage and current versus time through an electromagnet is measured and recorded....
Inventors: Sean David McCarthy, Alan Simpson, Martin Flood, Maxime Sorin"

and

http://sites.google.com/site/steornlab/home

Regards,

Ossie

[Reincarnate]

Hi All,

I always knew of Steorn over the past few years because of their publicity but I was and am still pretty green in terms of understanding their technology prior to December the 15th 2009. I have had some correspondance with JLN in the past day or two and he has made me aware of the following which is very interesting.

"US 2009/0009157 A1 : SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR MEASURING ENERGY IN MAGNETIC INTERACTIONS : An apparatus and method is provided for measuring magnetic force response time due to the magnetic viscosity of materials and for measuring total energy exchanged due to relative motion of magnetic materials. Voltage and current versus time through an electromagnet is measured and recorded....
Inventors: Sean David McCarthy, Alan Simpson, Martin Flood, Maxime Sorin"

and

http://sites.google.com/site/steornlab/home

Regards,

Ossie

"Voltage and current versus time through an electromagnet is measured and recorded.... "

Which is exactly what I have been saying about how the shorted coil acts an accelerator coil.

If I try to push you backward, we both go backward. If my back is against the wall, only one of us moves and that speed is "accelerated"

Now look at Thanes device. The shorted coil is a wall.

but it all falls on deaf ears...

[Reincarnate]

It's true more evidence is needed to sustain the Orbo claim which is that the rotor draws no energy from the power supply. As far as I understand Thane Heins' rotor does draw energy from the power supply and that makes it an entirely different invention. You're right about bogging down but even a greater obstacle is poverty. Overwhelmingly those with the bright ideas are poor and that prevents them from bringing their ideas to fruition. Sean as head of Steorn isn't that poor and he could accomplish the objective to prove conclusivelu the reality of an OU machine (I'm not even concerned about bringing it to the market). Unfortunately, Steorn is a business and business is opposite to science.

Apparently you have not heard of the business of global warming and the carbon tax or how science is funded and sometimes why? I wish I could live in your idealistic world of bliss.

My guess is Steorn was looking at fraud charges and was offered a nice deal to discredit or lock up Thane's device in court. Bet you a dollar a lawsuit is filed in the next year and you can bet Thane, who has no funding, will just go away even though he invented it.

That is all speculation but then this entire thread is speculation until people look at the components that are being ignored such as the shorted coil and magnets below the rotor and how they are being used as an accelerator.

Most all free energy devices use "acceleration" to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within mass and they do not violate thermodynamics.