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Is there anyone in this thread that can explain a simple method to capture the flyback current and put it back in a battery?

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here let me explain...

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Reincarnate

Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
Freezer:

You can't just "pluck 'radiant energy' out of thin air" to advance your argument.  Sean says that more power is being returned to the battery by the return wire that connects to the battery.

Actually I did do the experiments.  I made the measurements that show that the energy in a pulse discharge from an inductor is less than or nearly equal to the battery energy that energized the inductor in the first place.  That means that Bedini's "radiant energy" is B.S.  I read his 1984 "Kromrey Convertor" 15-page treatise and I almost puked from how little sense he made when discussing electricity and batteries.

So why don't YOU do the experiments.  Hook up any Bedini motor or Joule Thief or whatever your favourite flavour of pulsing inductor circuit you want and measure the power supplied by the battery compared to the power you get from the pulsing inductor.  In all cases you will find the output power is less than the input power, and you produce heat.  The output power plus the heat will equal the input power.  "Radiant energy" is just a buzz word to get you excited and induce you to believe in something that's not there.  You can prove for yourself that it is not there if you really want to.

MileHigh

All energy is radiant which relegates the term to meaningless. Even Bedini stated when asked what radiant energy is "that it is any energy that radiates." The term means nothing in a science discussion.

Mass is made of energy and all there is in this universe is mass and energy. You can convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and that is how all free energy devices work. You cannot produce stable mass from energy since only a black hole has that kind of power.

Atoms are tiny spinning masses of compressed energy - simple as that.

What is interesting about Orbo, he is using the north and south pole of a magnet since he is using a toroid coil. Most motors only use one pole and the other is wasted.

The Lentz cancellation may be due to the fact that the toroid is using both poles. If the two magnets are magnetically shorted on the other end with a third magnet of opposite polarity, I could see how that might improve their pulse motor through pulse compression. they may also have a shorted coil to cause a compression - see Thane Heins.

Pulse compression creates acceleration. All free energy devices use acceleration to disrupt the spin of an atom to release the energy being compressed within the two or more waves that form it. There are many ways of producing acceleration, pulse compression (compressing energy into time) is just one of them.

There are free energy receivers but they fall into another class of device that convert one form of energy such as heat into another such as electricity or light into electricity. They do not tend to produce large amounts of energy.

I would just wait and see. They are real people using their real names and their real asses are on the line. They don't appear to be con men. Releasing a free energy device in a public forum is a nearly impossible task for a bunch of reason.

Most scientist and inventor stumble many times prior to success. It took over 3000 experiments to invent the lead acid battery.

ramset

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broli

Quote from: interestedinou on December 22, 2009, 03:39:00 AM
Is there anyone in this thread that can explain a simple method to capture the flyback current and put it back in a battery?

Here's a helpful circuit:

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-inductkick-snub.html

But it needs an extra diode to keep the capacitor from discharging.

Steorn is right about ohmic losses. All the current that is flowing after the current has reached its maximum is lost irreversibly, as this portion cannot be recycled. This is why it's useful to preferably allow the action to happen during the still linear rise time of the current so most of the inductive energy can be recycled.

The Lindemann motor makes good use of this:

http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html