STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[marek]

@tinu

My understanding of fig 16 is that: when relative speed between magnet and
magnetic core increase, energy transferred - in this case - from magnet to core,
decrease. Core at low speed (or static) case, will be magnetized (saturated) to
certain value (lets assume that all magnetic dipoles are aligned to external
magnetic field). To demagnetize it you will need certain amount of energy. Now
speed increase and magnetic viscosity starts to play. Magnet passes by the core,
but magnetic dipoles don't have enough time to align to external field because
magnet has already "ran away". Thus I deduce that magnetic core was not
saturated as much as in static case, and thus I thing you need less energy to
desaturate it (less power).

On the other hand, please expand on the excitement about decreasing torque. I
probably didn’t get the point right. I mean that the torque referring in the
patent is what resists the movement; that torque goes directly into thermal
loses. I can see the joy after having it decreased by a factor of 2.2 but not
when it requires increasing the input power by a factor of 10k.

I think that you've mixed up something here. The torque don't go to thermal
loses, and what is more important torque is the motive force and we want it as
much as we can get. But the trick is that torque, as you can see in fig. 14 is
positive as well as negative. We do not want to have negative torque, it will
simply stop our mover. To cancel negative torque, toroidal coil trick is used.
And now what goes to thermal loses is electric energy, used for cancelling this
negative torque. We want to minimize it. So when you look again at figs 11 and
12, you can see that with increase of speed from 1 to 10000 rpms torque decrease
about 2 times, and flux about 100 times. So I think you will need 100 times less
electrical energy (?) to cancel negative torque, wile positive torque will be
only 2 times smaller.

Also, I can not find trace of decreasing saturation. The patent talks about peak
magnetic flux values and it’s movement from 180 to about 210 degree. Did you
find or deduce something about saturation or it was just a typo?

You cannot find it because it isn't there:) They speak only about flux, and flux directly depend on saturation. Or something like that;)

Now I have some new thoughts. Try to calculate mechanical power in the system
shown in patent's charts. Lets assume that torque is constant at whole range of
rotation.
Formula for mechanical power:
P = M*w
w=(pi*n)/30

N - Power
M - torque
w - angular speed
n - rpm

For 1 rpm:
P=0,2*((3,14*1)/30) = 0,02093

For 1000 rpm:
P=0,1*((3,14*1000)/30) = 10,46

For 10000 rpm:
P=0,1*((3,14*10000)/30) = 104,6

Those numbers are strange. I'm not sure if I calculated is right!?
I hope it wasn't too boring;)

Reg
marek

[Omnibus]

Did you see that: http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=478 ? CLaNZeR in conjunction with Steorn have produced these 50 Orbos to be distributed free to whoever they consider to be members (don't know what's that all about) throughout the world to be studied. I'm speechless. That's exactly what anybody with such claims should do. Go for it CLaNZeR. You the man.

[tak22]

I have always found (during my research) that a rotor is just a waste of energy.
Attached is a proposed circuit that have no rotor. This should be easy to test.

Great concept Groundloop!

Another concept that does includes motion would be a vertical linear generator where you use
very strong magnets and as much weight as possible to add gravity into the equation.

This would use 'work' from the magnet, attraction to the toroid when coil is off, and gravity for
assisting the release when the coil is on. Springs could be used to keep the magnet/weight in
the optimum zone.

tak

[broli]

Did you see that: http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=478 ? CLaNZeR in conjunction with Steorn have produced these 50 Orbos to be distributed free to whoever they consider to be members (don't know what's that all about) throughout the world to be studied. I'm speechless. That's exactly what anybody with such claims should do. Go for it CLaNZeR. You the man.

Haha, that's a nice tease. I'm sure about everyone in here wants one.

[k4zep]

Did you see that: http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=478 ? CLaNZeR in conjunction with Steorn have produced these 50 Orbos to be distributed free to whoever they consider to be members (don't know what's that all about) throughout the world to be studied. I'm speechless. That's exactly what anybody with such claims should do. Go for it CLaNZeR. You the man.

Nice work, won't be a chance in heck I could get one but nice work ClzN.

Ben