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[broli]

broli,

and what that test would be please?

Fausto.

Here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg217852#msg217852

and here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg218029#msg218029

[plengo]

Oke we already know there's no EMF when the circuit is shorted and the magnets being rotated. But still not absolutely certain if the same can be said when current flows. In order to remain sane and progress here's a simple setup that can resolve this easily and put an end to that discussion.

Wind a bifilair toroidal core, so you have two coils wound around the same core. First hook either one of the coils to the scope and confirm there's indeed no induced EMF when the magnets are spun. Now take one coil and hook it to DC and leave the other coil on the scope. The other coil will act as a pickup and show any induced EMF that would be present in the main DC coil, without being distorted by the voltage of the battery. If again there's nothing then we can conclude there's also no voltage when DC is applied.

I hope someone performs this test as it's an important one to reach closer to the complete understanding of this motor. If there is no EMF then that's it for me, I'll do everything I can to build a home unit, because then I know this is absolutely overunity.

Ok Broli, good test.

I performed quickly this first test. I have a bifilar small toroid coil. First I connected the scope into one of the coils and performed a fast moving magnet in front of it at very close proximity. I could see no signal variation on the scope. Scope at maximum volts division vertically.

The same test was performed with a regular Bedini bifilar and scope showed a substantial voltage fluctuation as the magnet flys by.

First test showed that, at this particular toroid, It had no influence from the external magnet field producing any EMF inside the toroid coils.

Second test, applied a constant 12.5 volts into coil 1 of the toroid (power supply current limited from mains) while connected scope probes to second coil of the toroid (see picture). Performed moving magnet at close proximity of toroid as test one above.

Substantial voltage fluctuation was visible at scope. Conclusion: toroid has now influences from external magnetic field and therefore some EMF is present.

Fausto.

[Groundloop]

@gyulasun,

You cross bar idea is great. Something for experimenters to try out.

@k4zep,

I have posted the circuit drawing back on page 47 in this thread.

Groundloop.

[Staffman]

Ok Broli, good test.

I performed quickly this first test. I have a bifilar small toroid coil. First I connected the scope into one of the coils and performed a fast moving magnet in front of it at very close proximity. I could see no signal variation on the scope. Scope at maximum volts division vertically.

The same test was performed with a regular Bedini bifilar and scope showed a substantial voltage fluctuation as the magnet flys by.

First test showed that, at this particular toroid, It had no influence from the external magnet field producing any EMF inside the toroid coils.

Second test, applied a constant 12.5 volts into coil 1 of the toroid (power supply current limited from mains) while connected scope probes to second coil of the toroid (see picture). Performed moving magnet at close proximity of toroid as test one above.

Substantial voltage fluctuation was visible at scope. Conclusion: toroid has now influences from external magnetic field and therefore some EMF is present.

Fausto.

Is the toroid being saturated by the voltage you are applying? If not, I can see that the external magnet is realigning the magnetic domains of the toroid material causing voltage to appear on the secondary coil. If it is being saturated, then I have no idea why you are getting the result you saw. Let me know if my reasoning is flawed.

[plengo]

I would think the core is saturated simply because with the same voltage on a much larger coil and core I do get it to create substantial voltage.

This is a much, much smaller core (orders of magnitude smaller) compared to the Bedini SSG bifilar under the same voltage. As a matter of fact the coil even gets very hot while doing the test if let it run for a while.

Fausto.