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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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captainpecan

Quote from: maw2432 on January 12, 2010, 06:35:47 PM
Sorry,  could someone please explain what he is saying in this video in more understandable terms.

I will do my best!  The simplest explanation I can give is this...  Picture a coil and a magnet.  In a typical motor, when you pulse current into the coil, it forces the magnet away from it (or draws it near, depends on polarity of magnet and pulse).  In a generator, when you move the magnet past the coil, it generates a pulse of energy in it.  Now picture both of these scenarios happening at the exact same time.  That is back emf in laymen's terms, or Lenz Law.

In his demonstrations, the replication he is showing, is at first pushing a certain amount of current. Then as the pulse is still on, the movement of the magnet is also generating current in reverse of the pulse.  This is causing a back pressure of sorts to the original current and is not allowing as much to flow.  This is what he is referring to with the top of the line being wavy to an extent.  When looking at the trace from the Orbo, the top of the pulse line is straight across.  This indicates that there is no back pressure being applied to the flow of current from beginning to end.  Or of course it could mean there is an exactly constant back pressure at all times.  Depends on how you look at it, lol..

I hope that explains it so you can understand it.  I'm sure there are many others here much more qualified to explain it than me, but I tried to keep in simple terms as best I could.

EBISEVAC

Ossie
I got my orbo running of your high power transistors and reed switch diagram but I cannot do it with pn transistors.
I am using 2N2222 and 2N2907 with 1N914. When I connect it to 12V battery it draws 30mA without presence of the rotor. Trigger coil is 100 turns of #30 wire and it inducts arround 30mV. I don't know why and where does 30mA leaks.
Erkan

captainpecan

Quote from: k4zep on January 12, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
Hi GANG,

Just watched the demo.  Remarkable.  What you see is the perfect no back EMF/CEMF GENERATOR.  SPIN the damn thing at 20K rpm via a small motor as there is no load!, very short pulses in, then with the inductance shift at turn off of just 500us/1 ms pulses/magnet passage, larger pulses and CURRENT GAIN OUT!!!!  Damn, why didn't I see that before!!!!!!

Ben


Yes, I totally agree.  I'm starting to understand it much better now.  He also stated that the faster it goes, the more energy gain.  This also makes since, as the total on time of each pulse decreases, there is less wasted energy to hold the field.  While still getting the gain when it collapses over the amount it took to create it.  It will be interesting to see how all this pans out, I wish I had an inductance meter!

I'm believing more and more that the Orbo really is an energizer more than a motor.  Like the bedini monopole, the motion of the rotor is just a bonus, it was not meant for torque, it was meant to cause very sharp pulses to catch the collapsing field.  Same thing seems to apply here.  I do not think torque is important at all, I think it is just a bonus.  I think Sean just wants it to spin as fast as possible to keep the pulses the shortest possible.  I really dont think he cares if you can stop it with your finger or not.  At least not at this stage.

captainpecan

Quote from: EBISEVAC on January 12, 2010, 08:12:43 PM
Ossie
I got my orbo running of your high power transistors and reed switch diagram but I cannot do it with pn transistors.
I am using 2N2222 and 2N2907 with 1N914. When I connect it to 12V battery it draws 30mA without presence of the rotor. Trigger coil is 100 turns of #30 wire and it inducts arround 30mV. I don't know why and where does 30mA leaks.
Erkan
You sure your reed switch isn't stuck?  Just curious, you might wanna flick it with your finger lightly.  Just a thought.  You might also try to swap out your transistors with others if you have spares.  You may have bum transistor that is conducting all the time.  As long as your diode is oriented in the right direction, then I'm out of thoughts...  Good luck.

maw2432

Quote from: captainpecan link=topic=8411.msg221909#msg221909 A=1263344389
I will do my best!  The simplest explanation I can give is this...  Picture a coil and a magnet.  In a typical motor, when you pulse current into the coil, it forces the magnet away from it (or draws it near, depends on polarity of magnet and pulse).  In a generator, when you move the magnet past the coil, it generates a pulse of energy in it.  Now picture both of these scenarios happening at the exact same time.  That is back emf in laymen's terms, or Lenz Law.

In his demonstrations, the replication he is showing, is at first pushing a certain amount of current. Then as the pulse is still on, the movement of the magnet is also generating current in reverse of the pulse.  This is causing a back pressure of sorts to the original current and is not allowing as much to flow.  This is what he is referring to with the top of the line being wavy to an extent.  When looking at the trace from the Orbo, the top of the pulse line is straight across.  This indicates that there is no back pressure being applied to the flow of current from beginning to end.  Or of course it could mean there is an exactly constant back pressure at all times.  Depends on how you look at it, lol..

I hope that explains it so you can understand it.  I'm sure there are many others here much more qualified to explain it than me, but I tried to keep in simple terms as best I could.

Captain,  thanks.  I think I am starting to understand, but I still do not understand how he is achieving this "no back emf."  What is special about his coils and core material?  Do they have any patents on their technology that explains it?

Bill