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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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gravityblock

@teslaalset:

I'm not sure if the energy from the pulse can be captured electrically from the collapsing field after looking at the specs on Metglas because the electrical energy from the pulse plus an additional energy gain in inductance was converted to mechanical energy during the magnets departure and during the pulse.

Steorn showed the inductance test because physics says if you have a gain in mechanical energy, then you had a loss in inductance.  This is the reason for the generator coils on the same axis to draw off the net gain in the mechanical energy. 

The net gain in the mechanical energy is more than the electrical losses and the inductance test shows this.  The energy gain from the inductance has already been converted to mechanical energy during the magnets departure and during the pulse, so we will need to capture this gain mechanically instead of electrically.

This is my understanding of this.  The pulse might be able to be recaptured with the Metglas cores, but I doubt it.  You may be able to capture a small amount, but not nearly as much as a traditional core material.

I'll need to think about this more.

GB
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teslaalset

Quote from: Airstriker on January 14, 2010, 07:21:57 AM
Not larger but close to ratio 1/1. It can be less - no problem with that as you use additional generator coils on the upper disc to go to COP > 1.

I looked at the current fall wave shape of the second part of Steorn's new videos, but I don't see a big LR shaped area which would justify the 1/1 ratio.
So, I am still puzzled.

[Update]
Sorry Gravity, I our postings just crossed each other.
I agree with you, the only gain is in the mechanical effects.
The energy caused by the attraction of the magnet to the uncharged coil is higher than the energy put in the coil right after passing the coil. That should be it, indeed.

Airstriker

Quote from: teslaalset on January 14, 2010, 07:30:44 AM
I looked at the current fall wave shape of the second part of Steorn's new videos, but I don't see a big LR shaped area which would justify the 1/1 ratio.
So, I am still puzzled.

Sure as these are input current scopes. The output is redirected to the other circuit. At least this sounds reasonable. Note that Sean didn't show the output yet ! Only the input just to show no Lenz interaction.
By the way, this should become clear if we see any of the oryginal ORBO circuit (not the one from demo as it doesn't recover the energy in any way).

teslaalset

Quote from: Airstriker on January 14, 2010, 07:37:27 AM
Sure as these are input current scopes. The output is redirected to the other circuit. At least this sounds reasonable. Note that Sean didn't show the output yet ! Only the input just to show no Lenz interaction.
By the way, this should become clear if we see any of the oryginal ORBO circuit (not the one from demo as it doesn't recover the energy in any way).

It's my understanding the these current probes are mounted on the coil leads. The only way that you won't see the current fall according an LR curve is because, like Gravity indicated, this current is not re-cycled.

Airstriker

Quote from: teslaalset on January 14, 2010, 07:42:44 AM
It's my understanding the these current probes are mounted on the coil leads. The only way that you won't see the current fall according an LR curve is because, like Gravity indicated, this current is not re-cycled.
Totally agree. But only in demo setup.