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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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captainpecan

#1685
January 14, 2010, 01:25:47 PM
@Paul,
I'm still having a bit of trouble deciding which metglass for me to order today.  I remember seeing that you posted your order the other day on this thread, for some reason I don't see it.  Maybe the graphic didn't load for me when I scanning back to find it.  But could you tell me again exactly which ones you ordered, and then if you could give me your opinion on the exact ones I should order?  What I mean is this, if you had to build a second one to test other criteria, what would you use?  I'll order that one, and then we see both results.

Bruce_TPU

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January 14, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: Staffman on January 14, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
Naudin just posted another video... He shows how to cancel back EMF. Very cool!!! Sorry if this has been previously posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veoRZh0GTkQ

Edit: I see it has been posted... sorry guys!!!

HUGE experiment by JLN labs!  I had heard Sean from Steorn mention the importance of "POSITION" of the toroidal coils, and NOW we know why!  So, to briefly recap, we now have three main specs to work with...  1.  Proper permeablity of core for needed Saturation.  2.  Magnets, paired of 1 Tesla or 10000 gauss each, one facing North and one facing South.  3.  The EXACT position on the Netral line between the two magnets for the Toroid.  ;)  Ahh...the smell of progress! 

But...Hmm...it still appears that there are TWO toroid, one above the other on the Demo, and they are not positioned on the neutral line.  I wonder if JLN Labs had held the toroid with the hole facing the magnets, and tested with one magnet in front of it, if the CEMF would be nil.  This would also make sense based on the Demo rigs....hmm...
Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

lumen

#1687
January 14, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
@exnihiloest
Most of us already knew the inductance could only change if the saturation occured in a direction around the core.
The problem is your test does not show CEMF. The field generated by the coil is matained only in the core and the external fields mainly enter the core at a point perpendicular to the core.
Because of this, the field from the coil that is matained in the core, can never exert 100% of it's CEMF into the external field.
:-X

wings

#1688
January 14, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 14, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
HUGE experiment by JLN labs!  I had heard Sean from Steorn mention the importance of "POSITION" of the toroidal coils, and NOW we know why!  So, to briefly recap, we now have three main specs to work with...  1.  Proper permeablity of core for needed Saturation.  2.  Magnets, paired of 1 Tesla or 10000 gauss each, one facing North and one facing South.  3.  The EXACT position on the Netral line between the two magnets for the Toroid.  ;)  Ahh...the smell of progress! 

But...Hmm...it still appears that there are TWO toroid, one above the other on the Demo, and they are not positioned on the neutral line.  I wonder if JLN Labs had held the toroid with the hole facing the magnets, and tested with one magnet in front of it, if the CEMF would be nil.  This would also make sense based on the Demo rigs....hmm...
Cheers,

Bruce

this can explain the use of micrometer not for bearing load adjustment but for rotor magnet position adjustment, acting on the spring adjustable position of the lower ball bearing ....?

broli

#1689
January 14, 2010, 01:39:15 PM
Is anyone willing to go down to dublin with a maxwell ultra capacitor and testing it on the open test rig? Has anyone figured out the orientation of the magnets in the latest orbo demo?
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