STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omega_0]

Yes, thanks..
I got your point.

Steorn made a mistake by not telling this directly in the demo. Most people are still thinking that the input trace is actual energy consumed. So if I understand you correctly, this system is OU only if the input I^R losses are minimized. A superconductor will help here

As seen, if the crucially important values of r and R are determined correctly, we have over 300% overunity without a doubt.

Yes, that seems to be the golden key.
I have corrected the plot with Absolute values of I. This is the correct graph.
Also, thanks to @hekkmekk who was also very close.
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[Omnibus]

Thanks @Omega_0. Now, that looks more like it.

As for the Ohmic heating, the rig is OU even as is (without superconducting toroid coils) because the Ohmic heat recovers 100% the input V*I(Ohmic) in accordance with CoE which is never violated with regard to Joule's first law. That recoverable (as heat) I*V power must be subtracted from the input when our concern is the spinning of the rotor -- V*I(Ohmic) part of V*I has already been used for Ohmic heating and none of it, therefore, can go for spinning. What goes for spinning is the remainder of V*I, that is (V*I - V*I(Ohmic)) or (V*I - I^2R) which is the same.


P.S. Also, probably you should rename the graph to read Net Input Energy, instead of Net Abs Energy

[Magluvin]

That make sense that the input power can be recovered and the rotor moving is not receiving power from the input.

But that is a bit tricky. If we were to run a pulse motor and the coil created heat, can we deduct that from our input also? And the function of the 2 motors IS the same essentially, field attraction or repulsion being turned on and of by means of some power input.
So I guess that a real motor, as in having real usable speed and torque, for the size of it, will have to be made Orbo style, with many magnets and toroids and see what happens. Cuz honestly, that orbo looks big enough to run a gocart, but it aint gunna do it.

Check it, I was at RC Hobbies the other day picking up some super glue, and got to talking with the guy about brush less motors, which is in this category, he showed me a motor that was no bigger than 2 in dia and maybe 3 1/2 in. long.  6000 watts!   Dudes thats 8 horse power!  It is for a turbine blade on an rc plane. With the turbine it can substitute a large turbo system in a car. 14lb almost a bar.  ya might say, yea but 6000 w of 12v bat just to use this for a turbo? Then I could say, Nooo, a lot of that power is going toward making heat, so its much less than that. 

We really have to consider, what are we really seeing here. Why is it that these things, claims, are basically small when it comes to power in vs power out?

Check this vid of mine, you should enjoy it. I am using 4 AA and my 3 Big coils in parallel .14 ohm, pulsed by my big reeds GE DR113. I am capturing BEMF off of the coil array an heating 5 ohm 5 watt resistors, and the rotor is really kickin. In the vid I make a couple tiny adjustments and it goes faster than I had planned for the vid. So now we got all this rotor power going, capturing bemf into a 5ohm load getting so hot you cannot keep your finger on it, and still maintaining 2.5v on that resistor continuous, and making heat we can capture in theory to help negate some input.
But at least I am showing very usable power out, in multiple forms, from 1 input.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7PR8JEVp7A

Mags

[Omega_0]

In the demo video 2/2 at 00:50 there is a hint that they do deduct the heating loss from their OU calculations. So I must take some of my words back. But it was not very obvious.

Ok, titles of the pics changed and calculation for R added in the excel sheet, which you can download from here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=365

Now its time to find correct design parameters, so one can actually build this thing and make it work in practice also. The parameter are resistances, voltages, currents, inductances, RPMs and many more. Luckily, no new physics is needed, so the clever guys here will figure that out.

[hekkmekk]

Thanks guys for the great info.
This Excel-Experiment was really a damn good idea. One can play with the numbers and see the reactions on the system.
So we get closer and closer.