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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Jimboot

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 02, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
Actually my above example was for a rechareable battery. Since you're using an Eveready Energizer Alkaline D cell, which has 18 Ah, it would run for 224 days!  :)
My nonrechargable battery has gained .03v today after running for 43 hours. Hoping to see the same results in my next Orbo  replication

Omega_0

Quote from: teslaalset on February 02, 2010, 04:20:16 PM

Something I don't understand is the current values of the original measurement data, before and the after the pulse.
Voltage show values around -0.5 V, however current is zero  ???
Looks like an offset problem of the voltage measurement....


Good eye ! There is indeed an offset in both V and I of -0.5 and -0.02
Actually the scientific notation in the excel was hiding true values.

After adjusting the values, I get an R = 5.1 and the trace looks much more accurate now. Thanks for pointing that.
V = 12.28 and I = 2.4 (both peak values). T(on) = 0.005. No idea what the units and multipliers are.

Actually some error in R can be tolerated as long as IV < I^2R. You start getting negative net energy when R is larger. Interesting thing is that when IV=I^2R , net E=0 and efficiency becomes infinite (theoretically)
For this data you get this for R=5.1175

A cleaned up excel sheet is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=366

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I have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing - Thomas Alva Edison

Omnibus

@Omega_0,

I saw that V and I offset (as well as the time offset which is an obvious artifact) but since it's raw data I thought it should be left untouched. Until one has his own data to deal with touching other data doesn't seem methodologically correct. Of course, I was wondering what that might be due to and I thought that's the off-duty Lentz' law kicking in which during the duty cycle wasn't showing. Weird. Anyway, independent data are needed to know what exactly is going on (although it's just a detail and doesn't affect the overall conclusion).

As for the R, I was told it's around 4.8Ohms (immediately after disconnecting the circuit to measure the resistance of the coils while still hot; in several minutes when they get colder the resistance drops to around 3.9Ohms). Applying Ohm's law to these raw data isn't correct because that's to assume that the voltage drop is only Ohmic voltage drop which we now know isn't the case.

maw2432

CTG    Very nice build!!!   I can not wait to see it running in a video.    Maybe you could build some more to sell to us less talented builders?    You must know how frustrating it is to source parts for rotors etc.   

Bill

Omega_0

@Omni and teslaalset and all

Got the correct input trace in dummy data as well. In this attached file, you can simply change the R and L values (in red) to instantly see changes in input net energy. This is just to have an idea of how L & R affect the input. Its almost a virtual Orbo. :)

Of course, it is still a draft and there can be errors etc. I will try to refine it and make it work with realistic data as well.
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I have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing - Thomas Alva Edison