STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omega_0]

Some more thoughts on how the output from an orbo should be viewed.

Suppose the setup is such that both the output coil and the toroidal coil is immersed in a water filled jar, and the rotor rotates just outside this jar. Short the output coil. Now as soon as power is turned on, both input and output coils are heating the water. So we have a fancy water heater or coffee maker here.

Ensure that all the inductive flyback energy is being captured. Don't worry about the I^2R losses, because it is not being wasted, it is heating the water. Lets say the input is 100 W. Suppose the water boils after 10 mins and the energy consumed is 60 kJ.

Now remove the rotor. Fill the jar again with cold water and power it on. You will see that it still consumes 100 W, because nothing was changed on the input side and orbo ensures that output doesn't affect the input.
But you will see that it takes 15 mins for water to boil because the output coil is not contributing anything. So the energy consumed is 90 kJ in absence of the rotor.

So you will see that it takes less input energy to bring the same amount of water at same temperature to 100 deg when the rotor is present. Removing the rotor somehow causes it to consume more energy, although one would expect the reverse. Normally one will expect that it will take more energy to heat the water in presence of the rotor because some of the energy will go in turning the rotor. We are gaining 30 kJ of energy simply by placing a rotor there.

This is very counter-intuitive, and if you can show this happening, it will be enough to overturn Physics.

[haithar]

Of course there are some obvious optimizations that could make the orbo more effective.
As far as i understood the purpose of Steorn was only to validate their key facts which lead to the orbo-effect. That's why they did not connect a real load to the pickup coil, for digital components the current would have needed to be rectified and flattened (extra parts and more speculation), for a light bulb the energy was clearly not enough. If the promised data will appear finally and is considered valid by experimenters and professionals this optimizations can easily be done by developers.

Now remove the rotor. Fill the jar again with cold water and power it on. You will see that it still consumes 100 W, because nothing was changed on the input side and orbo ensures that output doesn't affect the input.
But you will see that it takes 15 mins for water to boil because the output coil is not contributing anything. So the energy consumed is 90 kJ in absence of the rotor.

Why do you think that is? I'd be willing to bet that it would take 10 min again, also 60kJ.


I have another question. This is the circuit from Naudins website:


edit: okay apparently the SPX 3955-8207 is an optical sensor. maybe someone has a part number for this or a similar sensor which exists?

[Omega_0]

Why do you think that is? I'd be willing to bet that it would take 10 min again, also 60kJ.

That's what the claim says. I reworded it to make it clear. Of course, you can go ahead and practically show that it takes same amount of energy with or without rotor. However it will still mean that the system is OU, because the rotor motion comes for free.

[FatChance!!!]

That's what the claim says. I reworded it to make it clear. Of course, you can go ahead and practically show that it takes same amount of energy with or without rotor. However it will still mean that the system is OU, because the rotor motion comes for free.

This statement is not true.
Without a rotor all input is lost but with a rotor some energy can be reclaimed. This is not proof of OU.
Your reasoning is flawed.

[synchro1]

@Gravityblock.

                   Thank you for your demonstration video on the attractive properties of recording tape. It wouldn't do that for me, perhaps from tape age and weaker magnet strength.

                    I am considering a multi strand magnetically attractive wire to use as a core for a spiral pancake coil with biflar copper windings. The haywire core magnetized and stopped working for me. Do you have any suggestions for a metal alloy multi strand wire that might have optimum permeability characteristics?