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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

And here, if the above isn't enough, is the real treat. Take a look at this, taken at 700kHz. I already posted a similar result but was still agonizing over the inductance problem in measuring the current. Now, I'm almost certain this is a real effect (can't wait to check it with the current probe to confirm it definitively). What we see here is that the driving of the device requires spending of no energy at all. On the contrary, the very driving of the device pushes in your hands excess energy not only energy in the form of heat but also tons of energy as electrical such. What does it mean? Self-sustaining device is just one step away--someone has to make a converter and that's not a problem for anybody savvy in electronics, to feed what's obtained at the output back into the input. That's it folks. OU trivially present in electrical devices, no need to look for special constructions, secrecy agreements, investors, you name it. Here it is, for your viewing pleasure:

Omnibus

If someone wants the Excel data for the above, let me know.

gyulasun

@Omnibus

Suddenly I do not get where is you measuring the output power in these last 3 simplified cases? I understand you drive the transformer's primary coil with 20-30V peak to peak sinusoid AC voltage.  How do you interpret the output?

Another question:  In case of the 50Hz test, if you reduce the FG output voltage to a lower value like 5V peak to peak, do you still see a distorted waveform instead of the sinusoid one?  Also, in case of this 5V, for instance, do you find OU at 50Hz?
I suspect core saturation causes the waveform distortion?  Have you seen such distorted waveform at 1kHz, 5kHz, 10kHz or 15kHz in this simplified setup? 

Thanks,  Gyula

Bruce_TPU

Hi Omnibus,

I want to say great job thus far, and great attention to detail.  It is nice not having to chase down an inventor for details or to have to worry about a hoax.

The real reason that I want to write to you today is to share with you and to remind our community that there was another man who saw some strange things in a transformer, many years ago.  He too would not let it go.  I want to share some of his quotes and then summise by stating where the OU is coming from and how to prove what I am going to say, once you have concluded your testing with the current probe.  Funny, then you will come to the same place this man was, such as, how can I use this to create even greater power....  And thus the Steven Mark Toroidal Power Unit was born. 

But first, in Steven's own words:

"It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time  with a much larger kick at the output."

AND


"I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies.
I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two transformer AC high voltage circuit.
In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the smoothing capacitors.
This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the transformers themselves.
Then the smoothing capacitors take out the rest of the multiple frequency hash along with the gigantic 60 Hz ac left in the B+.
I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers.
The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.
Also, there is another interesting analogy.
We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all.
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks."

Omnibus,
I would bet money that the OU is a result of harmonics coming together, caused by intermodulation.  A really good spectrum Analyzer would bear this out.  This is very good news and is a powerful step in the right direction.   The only difference that I see, is that you are using one transformer..  But still, I would bet the cause is the same.  This "Kick" is EVERYWHERE but is ignored.  Until now!   ;D

Cheers my friend,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Omnibus

Quote from: gyulasun on June 06, 2010, 05:49:44 PM
@Omnibus

Suddenly I do not get where is you measuring the output power in these last 3 simplified cases? I understand you drive the transformer's primary coil with 20-30V peak to peak sinusoid AC voltage.  How do you interpret the output?

Another question:  In case of the 50Hz test, if you reduce the FG output voltage to a lower value like 5V peak to peak, do you still see a distorted waveform instead of the sinusoid one?  Also, in case of this 5V, for instance, do you find OU at 50Hz?
I suspect core saturation causes the waveform distortion?  Have you seen such distorted waveform at 1kHz, 5kHz, 10kHz or 15kHz in this simplified setup? 

Thanks,  Gyula

@gyulasun,

The Pin is simply Iin*Vin, while the Pout is (Iin)^2(Rin + Rprimary).

I'm trying to stick to a set of conditions throughout for the purposes of being more systematic although it's really tempting to try all kinds of things.

Now, however, to answer your question, I'll try it at a lower amplitude for the 50Hz case and will post the result as soon as I obtain it.