STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

you stated:  (Iin)^2(Rin + Rprimary)  but what it should be is (Iin)^2(Rin + XL).

Here another link you should REALLY look at :

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/acind.html#c2

This is incorrect. What matters in the power balance discussed here is only the Ohmic resistance because it is the only resistance (out of the entire impedance) which participates in Joule's first law.

As a matter of fact, even the harshest critics of Steorn never questioned this particular part of their calculations. Like I said, questioning it can only be due to some confusion as to what causes Ohmic heating.

[IceStorm]

You are a bit confused and similar confusion has led some people to not fully understand the importance of what Steorn really do. Of course, now after these latest findings we're discussing here Steorn's technological aspect is moot but the way they calculate their input and output power is impeccable. As I've said many times, they are way ahead of everybody regarding the rigor of their experiments, one of the elements of which is the correct understanding that the Ohmic resistance does not change with frequency. Don't bother with impedance. Impedance does change with frequency, but that's immaterial, as @Omega_0 explained. Show evidence of Ohmic resistance changing with frequency.

Not to say that frequencies of 50Hz, let alone 1Hz are negligible even if there were frequency dependency of the Ohmic resistance.

Wake up, i have a SKDB developer license, since you talk alot about steorn , you can contact me on the SKDB member area on EgmQC if you have a license(i really doubt of that). So now by telling me that i don't understand what Steorn do is a bit stupid since its REALLY not what you try to do here with your experiment, completely irrelevant for the claim, in the right upper corner there a Icon named Build Packs on the SKDB Developer forum, click on it and you will see ALL schematic steorn used after that look at the video made available for member who explain the principle and what you should seek to get the effect.

If you don't understand what mean impedance and how to use it the get the right value of your experiment i really don't know what to say more to you.

IceStorm

[Omnibus]

Wake up, i have a SKDB developer license, since you talk alot about steorn , you can contact me on the SKDB member area on EgmQC if you have a license(i really doubt of that). So now by telling me that i don't understand what Steorn do is a bit stupid since its REALLY not what you try to do here with your experiment, completely irrelevant for the claim, in the right upper corner there a Icon named Build Packs on the SKDB Developer forum, click on it and you will see ALL schematic steorn used after that look at the video made available for member who explain the principle and what you should seek to get the effect.

If you don't understand what mean impedance and how to use it the get the right value of your experiment i really don't know what to say more to you.

IceStorm

Like I said, impedance is irrelevant when Ohmic heating is calculated. For a given current it's only the Ohmic resistance that matters and that's frequency independent. The fact that you are in SKDB does not change the fact that in their eOrbo they measure the output power exactly the way I measure it, that is, by calculating I^2*Rpucoil. You can't deny that. The only difference is that they have a proper current probe to measure I.

[Omnibus]

@Omega_0,

I used my Thermometrix thermometer (0.0001oC precision) and first measured the temperature near the device. Ten measurements taken at 1min  interval gave a mean value of 24.4173 +- 0.0919oC. Then I wound around the temperature probe a 0.087Ohm resistor and soldered it into the setup as Rin while running the device at 1Hz. The average of ten measurements taken at 1min interval now is 25.5343 +- 0.0722oC. So, as expected, we have a slight increase (on the order of 1oC) in temperature of Rin. This cannot, however, explain away the effect.

[Omega_0]

you stated:  (Iin)^2(Rin + Rprimary)  but what it should be is (Iin)^2(Rin + XL).

Here another link you should REALLY look at :

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/acind.html#c2

Icestorm, its important that you understand power correctly before you venture into OU (or even non-OU systems).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power#Basic_calculations_using_real_numbers

I will quote here :
"For a perfect capacitor or inductor there is no net power transfer, so all power is reactive."

More
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/2.html


We know that reactive loads such as inductors and capacitors dissipate zero power, yet the fact that they drop voltage and draw current gives the deceptive impression that they actually do dissipate power. This “phantom power” is called reactive power,


# Power dissipated by a load is referred to as true power. True power is symbolized by the letter P and is measured in the unit of Watts (W).
# Power merely absorbed and returned in load due to its reactive properties is referred to as reactive power. Reactive power is symbolized by the letter Q and is measured in the unit of Volt-Amps-Reactive (VAR).
# Total power in an AC circuit, both dissipated and absorbed/returned is referred to as apparent power. Apparent power is symbolized by the letter S and is measured in the unit of Volt-Amps (VA).


The equation you posted in also not totally correct. The impedance is
Z^2 = R^2+X^2
and V=I x Z
(note that these are vectors, except R which is scaler)