STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

Like what I said before, please show us the current waveforms in time domain for the load and for the bifilar coil in the neighborhood of 41 Mhz. The computed Pout/Pin ratio is meaningless to us if we don't know how the sign of the current changes at 41 Mhz. Period.

Why bifilar coil? Bifilar coil is out because it isn't interesting any more (all kinds of questions regarding the parasitic capacitances and inductances arise). What is been studied now is a dissipative (Ohmic, active) resistor in series with a capacitor. This is what is under study now and this is what you should address.

[exnihiloest]

You'd do better to stay out of this discussion. You're not only not a scientist and therefore have no basis to judge whether or not others are but you're a confused individual who very laboriously strives to disrupt useful discussions and that onlyclogs them.

For your therapy:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-psychological-projection.htm

[exnihiloest]

What are you talking about ? The Eorbo ?
The topic here is the OU from simple RC circuit. No engine, work or mechanical stuff here. Only heat.

This thread is:
"STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin", not "OU from simple RC circuit".

So I speak about Steorn.
If you don't, you should open a new topic.

[Omnibus]

@All

To put the issue of the probe cutting off frequencies (thus underestimating the input current) to rest here is a screen shot from a circuit with 10Ohm resistor and 0.001uF cap in series. The blue trace is the voltage, the green trace is the Hall effect-based current probe and the yellow is the 10Ohm resistor shunt. Of course, I won't present data for 41MHz because, as I already noted on several occasions, at such high frequencies there are additional concerns to be accounted for and that needs more research.

As you can see there is a slight difference in the current traces taken with the probe and with the shunt. The shunt current is slightly higher because of the parasitic capacitance kicking in. That was the reason I got the probe -- to measure the current without the interference of parasitic inductance (I explained that at length earlier). I should also mention that when the data with the shunt are crunched the OU is still there. Also, notice, the offset expected by @blueplanet in the current probe trace is practically absent.



@broli, sorry for that drawback but maybe @blueplane hasn't been keeping up while he might be genuinely interested.

[blueplanet]

This graph shows Pout/Pin changes sign at 41 Mhz:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8411.0;attach=45402;image

But this graph does not reflect this behavior:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8411.0;attach=45405;image

First of all, what have I missed? Why are you stuck with that 41Mhz value while the OU experiments are at 700 kHz? And if you go back a few pages he has shared both the data of the inductor as a reference test case with only a resistor. The data could be meaningless to YOU but definitely not "us" who know how to use it.

This is why little gets achieved here. Either it's some secret box of magic, or someone is completely open with his experiments and data and people keep going back to 0. At some point you have to accept the data you found in order to progress or else you'll keep going in circles never achieving anything.