Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[A_Giggle_For_Chaos]

I personally don't understand the fuss about a solenoid. I would get that epoxy out and put connecting rods to a short stroke drive shaft and see what that puppy could do compared to a regular motor, IE 1 hp 746 watts.
A good diode protected H bridge circuit driven with an optical switch, all powered from a big a cap on the front end. Top off the cap as needed to measure input.
We can only imagine. Until then.

Giggles

[synchro1]

Pulsing a series connected bifilar vectors a magnet wave outside the coil. A single wire coil or parallel bifilar will not act the same way.

[Khwartz]

Thanks Khwartz for your interest and posting your ideas.

Looks like no one knows how solenoids pull charts are done or they are not interested.

If OU is not a possibility or claimed, people are just not interested, even those who believe OU is not possible.

Luc

You're welcome, Luc, it was "for the cause"

But to be honest, surely my bad English, I am not sure to well understand your post: do you say you are giving-up and no more willing to see if OU is possible?

Cause, as I have said many times: OU is already a current thing since long:

- heat pumps, solar panels, wind turbines, et cetera, are all overunity COP, even wind turbines and solar panel are infinite COPs

(no energy input power that you pay for to run the device)

(and I remember anyone that "COP" is something else than "physical efficiency":

- heat pumps, solar panels, wind turbines are all underunity physical efficiencies despite the fact that each takes its energy in a large reservoir of energy for free).

Best regards.

[gotoluc]

Bonjour Khwartz,
ce que je dis, c'est que je ne pense pas que les membres du Forum sont intéressés s'il n'y a pas de potentiel OU dans cette appareil.
J'ai construit cet appareil au mieux de mes capacités et il exécute comme il se doit dans la mesure où une bobine peut déplace un poids spécifique avec une énergie Joule spécifique.
L'appareil est sous l'unité et ne peut pas être mieux.
Ce que j'ai aussi essayé de dire, c'est que mon appareil peut être mieux qu'un solénoïde standard car de ce que j'ai pu trouver sur le net est sa force de tire par watt est plus de 10 fois plus.
Mais je n'ai aucune idée comment s'y prendre pour comparer les deux et personne d'autre ont partagé comment le faire.

Hello Khwartz,
what I'm saying is, I don't think the members of the Forum are interested if there is no OU potential in this device.
I have built this device to the best of my ability and it performs as it should as far as a coil can moves a specific weight using a specific Joule energy.
The device is under unity and cannot be any better.
What I have been also trying to say is, my device may be better then a standard solenoid because from what I could find on the net is its pull force per watt is more than 10x more.
But I have no idea how to go about comparing the two and no one else have shared how to do so.

Luc

[Khwartz]

OK, apparemment tout tes test te donnent jusque là des résultats sous unitaire et tu voudrais comparer avec une bobine standarde, mais je ne comprends pas : tu as bien fait toi-même la comparaison (dix fois plus de force de traction) donc où est le problème ?

Tu as bien testé la force de traction de ta bobine sans l'amplification par l'addition d'aimants en comparaison avec ta manière de la faire, donc je ne vois pas bien ce que tu veux de plus :/

Cela dit, c'est vrai que passer du temps à faire des abaques qui n'intéresseraient personne ce ne serait pas très motivant pour moi.

Par contre, une chose qui pourrait permettre d'estimer s'il y a un espoir de surunité c'est si la courbe d'évolution du rendement est "divergente" ou "convergente". En effet, dans le premier cas la surunité serait très probable, dans l'autre très compromise.

A quoi cela correspond-t-il ? disons que si la tendance de la courbe va dans sa direction en gros "au-delà" de la surunité : bingo ! dans le cas contraire, si par exemple la courbe se rapproche tout le temps mais sans jamais vraiment "atteindre" et donc dépasser si on la prolonge (une asymptote), alors on améliore le rendement certes mais rien de plus.

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OK, apparently all your test  give underuntity resutls and you would want to compare with a standard reel, but I do not understand: you did well yourself the comparison (ten times more of pulling force) thus where is the problem?

You tested well the strength of drive of your coil without increase/amplification by the addition of magnets in comparison with your way of making it, thus I do not see well what you want furthermore :/

Having said that, it is true that to spend time to make abacuses which would interest nobody it would not be very rewarding for me.

On the other hand, a thing which could allow to consider if there is a hope of surunité it is if the curve of evolution of the efficiency is "divergent " or " convergent". Indeed, in the first case the surunité would be very likely, in the other one very compromised.

To what does it correspond? Let us say that if the tendency of the graph goes in its direction roughly "beyond" the overunity: you get it potentially! Should the opposite occur, if for example the graph gets closer all the time but without ever "achieving" really and thus overtaking if we extend it (= an asymptote), then we improve the efficiency certainly but nothing more.

Didier