MAGNET SHIELDING

[DeepCut]

Hi Gwandau

I was in no way being skeptical, i agree with all you have said on this matter.

I responded before reading your post and then edited my post after reading yours because yours reflected the truth of the matter more correctly than mine.

And, yes, personal experimentation is the way forward i totally agree.

I just got my first Bedini circuit working, i'm also on the tech group for bedini monopole3 and they are fantastic for pure Bedini SSG, i'm so happy ))


Happy (late night/early morning) experimenting

[Rapadura]

You are still confronted with the fact that the same attractive force that creates the movement
of the ball, also is responsible for the force that stops the ball and evens out the equation.

This setback to your concept has nothing to do with any inability to shield a magnetic field,
it is more a question how to harness the possibilities given by magnetic shielding.

Gwandau, but with magnetic shielding it is still impossible  to abolish "the force that stops the ball and evens out the equation"? I personally think that abolishing that force is the only way we can achieve perpetual motion.

[Gwandau]

Gary,

sounds great, and thanks for the positive response.

I will keep you all informed of my progress in my Perendev-type project.

At the moment it is a lot of initial field shaping configuration tests involved,
but when these are made, I am going to move in on the construct of my first test prototype.

Keep on the high spirits, the most important with it all is to have fun.


Rapadura,

As I said in the post before this one, a repelling system is the key.
You have to incorporate shielded magnets in both stator and rotor, and
you have to have three rotors parallel to each other with the magnets
offset some degrees to create rotation.

Personally I recommend to start experimenting with a Perendev-type magnetic motor,
since it seems to be the most simple way to study the repelling force of magnets.

Below is a link to a clip which probably is fake, but still very close to the concept
I am working on, so fake or not, it is instructive to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=FxReArGbE_s&feature=related

The simplicity in the idea of a repelling push in combination with correct shielding makes this a fully possible solution.

Gwandau

[DeepCut]

WOW Gwandau, a perendev !

I've always admired those, the Minato wheel reminds me of it what with the spiral arrangement and all.

Keep us posted plz


Gary.

[Low-Q]

Low-Q,

You are perfectly right in that Rapaduras idea will fail in its present configuration.

But I´m afraid your understanding of my shielding concept is flawed by a preconception.

The type of shielding exemplified incorporates a fully closed loop, its all about the reshaping of the  magnetic geometry,
leading the field into a current-like propagation through the ferrous multilayer.

This technology of altering a magnetic field by bending it into a constricted path is common orthodox scientific knowledge.

The trick here is not really shielding off one of the poles from the other, but instead by leading this field into a narrow path hidden behind the shielding properties.
And by only exposing one pole end area of the magnet to the surrounding, you still have a complete field interaction between north and south poles, but this north-south interaction is executed inside the shielded volume.

This way we have just confined the magnetic field to a more narrow path, and the exposed pole is still actively relating to the other pole,
we have just altered the geometry of the field structure, so that the electromagnetic visibility of one pole outside the shielding circuit is inhibited.

Additionally the use of bismuth or pyrolytic graphite is essential in the transition from the shielded path to the exposed pole area.

An example of this technology in action is The Wang Shum Ho prototype 5kW electricity generator which is reportedly powered by permanent magnets and claimed to be close to production. The team is seeking a marketing partner and offers a working prototype for viewing by financial backers.
Magnetic Shielding is used to create N pole Only magnets in this creation of Wang Shum Ho.

So on the contrary to your conviction, I believe shielding technology is the only way, all other ways are resulting in an even disposition of field vectors, resulting in zero output.

Gwandau

Your solution seems to be a better way of shielding. However, how do you manage to "tell" the magnetic flux to go inside a narrow path? Parallell magnetic lines are forced apart, so it will take force to compress them into a norrow path. Wouldnt the magnetic flux in your idea make a shorter turn so in fact less flux is exposed from the "open" pole - so much less as the shield can manage, and then we still have a regular magnet, but a much weaker one?

Vidar