Cooling effects in Steorn eOrbo

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Paul and all
Thanks for putting the work in and showing results,everybody is getting excited,including me,I hope it's not misplaced!!
A couple of questions,I think you said nothing is connected to the coil,so why is there a scope shot,and if connected to the scope,why is there a trace,as there is no cemf,or so they say.
Keep going,all good stuff!!
peter

Hi,

I do not recall saying there's nothing connected to the toroid. Here are the youtube quotes -->

The toroid coil is not loaded and there's no current flowing through the coil.

The wires connected to the toroid are connect to a volt meter, the oscilloscope, and a power supply, all of which were off during this footage.

The scope is on, so I need to correct that in the youtube. The volt meter is off. The power supply is off, but I don't think the wires are even connected at the power supply end. So the toroid is not loaded at all.

[PaulLowrance]

My next experiment will be to allow the temperature of everything settle down, and then repeat the experiment.

[PaulLowrance]

Why don't you guys who are replicating your version of the eOrbo also monitor temperature? 

[k4zep]

If the coil is biased then you'll see the induced voltage from the toroid core due to the spinning magnets.

I'm not saying the over all design is not cop>1 because there might be noticeable magnetic viscosity involved, but it's misleading to say there's no bemf. There's no back emf is there's no current in the coil, but who cares about that. What matters is if there's bemf if there's current in the coil.

Hi Paul,
Just read the whole thread up to here.  Now that the he said, I said, etc. is done lets get down to the good stuff. 

In you magnetic cooling experiment, exactly what is your schematic.  Is the coil/resistor/ supply in a simple loop and you are monitoring the bidirectional voltage shift from either magnetic induced inductance change or pure generator action, hence emf voltage shift or AC component as seen across that resistor.  That, I assume is what you have been saying about the motor having back EMF when biased on by the coil. 

I realize that the core is essentially a 1 turn loop and by mechanically modulating the field in that core it would cause voltage induced in the coil hence reflected into/at the PS.  As the basic toroid/magnetic torque loop interface is demonstrated to be bi-directional as far as current flow is concerned, torque production is not changed/effected during 1 cycle (I'm that old).  The additive and subtractive currents would cancel out as far as torque is concerned and while there is an induced emf in the loop, it has a average of zero extra energy used from the Power supply (PS) due to its being an AC component (An AC modulated DC bias).  It would not tend to slow the motor down as in conventional circuits and would not increase power consumption from the supply long term and this is what we are looking for.  So my consensus is that we are both right and the effects are as desired......Vote overwhelming for Paul and Ben!

If someone is logging into your account and mucking with contents, change the password? 

Respectfully
Ben

[k4zep]

Won't don't you guys who are replicating your version of the eOrbo also monitor temperature? 

A very good idea!!!

Ben