Stepping Down a Wimshurst

[wojwrobel]

hello

ok i slept with this and have idea how it work
so the stationary stator 20 and 22 receives alternately positive and negative charges (when 20 is pos, 22 is neg and vice verse, cycle 1 and 2 ) that is possible only when connection 100 is not there!!! i dont now if its mistake or inventor wanted to show that this influence does mater , well if disk 20, 22 dont rotate and 24,26 rotate there cant be fixed connection so i think inventor how charges interact - + - + - +...

neg charge induces pos charge in sector at disk 20 -cycle 1 (neg side)
pos charge induces neg charge in sector at disk 22 -cycle 1 (pos side)
and
neg charge induces pos charge in sector at disk 24 which induces neg charge in sector at disk 20 -cycle 2 (neg side)
pos charge induces neg charge in sector at disk 26 which induces neg charge in sector at disk 22 -cycle 2 (pos side)

and since the pair of sectors at disk 20, 22 receive pos and neg charges at the same time there is in balance of the charges so they wand to be exchanged which is happening thru rectifier creating current

wojsciech

[wojwrobel]

hello

i was thinking all day today about this machine and it gets me to beggining !!!

the idea is to conver static charges to electricity right??

and the law of physic says:


An electromagnetic field is an area in which electric and magnetic forces are interacting. It arises from electric charges in motion. Electromagnetic fields are directly related to the strength and direction of the force that a charged particle, called the "test" charge, would be subject to under the electromagnetic force caused by another charged particle or group of particles, called the source.

An electromagnetic field is best understood as a mathematical function or property of spacetime, but may be represented as a group of vectors, arrows with specific length and direction. For a static electric field, meaning there is no motion of source charges, the force Fâ†' on a test charge is Fâ†' = qEâ†', where q is the value of the test charge and Eâ†' is the vector electric field. For a static magnetic field (caused by moving charge inside an overall neutral group of charges, or a bar magnet, for example) the force is given by Fâ†' = qvâ†' × Bâ†', where vâ†' is the charge velocity, Bâ†' is the vector magnetic field, and the × indicates a cross-product of vectors.

A stationary charge produces an electric field, while a moving charge additionally produces a magnetic field. Since velocity is a relative concept dependent on one's choice of reference frame, magnetism and electricity are not independent, but linked together, hence the term electromagnetism.

so why dont we build a machine different that this one !!!!

what you guys think

[gauschor]

I think that the charged particles would not move in a circular way (if this is what it's supposed to do, judging from the sketch). Also I wonder how you will charge the particles if there is an insulator between the static charge fields from the Wimshurst and the particle pipe.

I believe what you say is true, that an electric field in motion creates a magnetic field. But for the most part a small electric field itself is simply too weak for getting an usable induction effect. You can try to collect induction current by trying to hold a coil next to the moving segments of a wimshurst device (which are charged too), but you will most likely see it is too weak.

But maybe I also understand something wrong / misinterprete your sketch.

[wojwrobel]

hello

i forgot to  mark pump, is there to move particles at the side....

anyway from wikipedia

"The B-field can be defined in many equivalent ways based on the effects it has on its environment. For instance, a particle having an electric charge, q, and moving in a B-field with a velocity, v, experiences a force, F, called the Lorentz force (see below). In SI units, the Lorentz force equation is

F=q(vxB)

where × is the vector cross product.

so our magnetic field will depent directly from q  and v so the greater the charge and speed of moving (particles) the higher our magnetic field will be !!!!! and since we move particles in closed loop there is no limit to speed and we can charge our particle to very high charge because from our wimshurts machines can produce large potential it all depends from size of the disk and 1/3 of size is our potential in kv

wojsciech

[wojwrobel]

hello

you know what its a good idea to try moving a coil of wife in electric A !!!!

magnetic field lines and electric field lines are identical but have different properties

so when you move magnetic field thru coil of wire you give when N pole push of free electrons and when S pole pull of electrons right

i have to try this setup