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Solid State Orbo System

Started by Groundloop, January 06, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

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Bruce_TPU

Quote from: Magluvin on February 27, 2010, 02:06:50 AM
Hey Bruce
Great minds think alike. I tried to wrap a few coils (no ferrite core)with toroid windings yesterday. I did it thinking that it would distort the fields of the magnets within the pickup coil itself. It has very little effect. Strange isnt it?
I thought with great confidence that it would do something good. I thought that the oil inside the toroidal winding would see a greater distortion than with the ferrite.  Give it a try if you like. I tried many combination's of magnet influence on them. Very disappointing.
Back to the drawing board, in my mind. =]

mags

Hey Mags,

I am still going to try...but, I have now reduced my input power from 2 amps using one toroid, to having 4 toroids in series and a 100 ohm resistor on the battery lead.  Amps are reduced to .070... ;) 

The idea, I am thinking, will be to wire in series as many toroids as possible, all the same cores, and windings.  Wrap with just enough windings to oscillate the magnet.  The MORE toroids in series, the LESS power used...why?  Because the toroid DOES NOT SEE THE LOAD, because the power is being generated by oscillating a magnetic field.  Yes, more amps make it to oscillate better, but having the proper core, with powerful magnet inside, should more than make up for it.  I will add up my output power tomorow and see where I stand.  But, hehehe, I simply need to keep adding toroids and remove the 100 Ohm resistor.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Magluvin

Hey Bruce
Good luck with the coil /toroid windings. =]

I have a question that maybe you can answer or someone here.
Are certain cores made more for suppressing induction vs working like a transformer core?

I have some cores that just plain suck at working period, and some that work awesome.

thanks
Mags

0c

Quote from: Magluvin on February 27, 2010, 06:54:17 AM
Are certain cores made more for suppressing induction vs working like a transformer core?

Well, sorta, almost. Check that email I have for you and you'll have more info than you ever wanted.

(tried to PM you here, but PM doesn't seem to be working properly for me)
0c

Bruce_TPU

Hello ALL,

Well, I have optimized as much as I think that I can.  I came up with a whole new design, magnets and coils only.  Steel was not needed, once I understood the proper placement of magnets.  I also came up with another great idea, of using larger toroids and placing coils beneath and above. 

I also added an additional 4 magnets to the rotor, so that the switching speed was doubled.  This was an encouraging experiment, as the current and voltage on the output increased. 

I used my laser tach and I spin the rotor by hand an avg of 380 RPM's at start up.  This comes to 6.3 rotations of the rotor per second.  I then multiply this number by 8 (number of magnets I have on the rotor) and I see that I am switching at 50.4 Hz. 

So, at 50.4 Hz, my three completed units together have an output of 24 volts at 240 microamps.

My input is .180 ma at 12 volts.  Now, most of that voltage is not needed, so I think that the input can stil be trimmed considerably.  Now, the question becomes, "What maximum switching speed will it allow?"

I calculate that 2 KHz or above, if it will allow, would get me more output than input...the holy grail.  Now, If I had some more brooks coils, we could lower that number.

BUT>>>Another way to lower that "Threshold" is to also add coils to the "edges" of the toroid.  There is enough room there for some.... ;)

Ingredients:
On the bottom is a brooks coil, hole facing up.
next, I added 2 N32 mags into the hole. 
Next I placed a Large 2" magnet, laying down next to the brooks coil, it's side against the side of the brooks coil, so that the magnet in the hole are attracted to the magnets on the outside edge of coil. 
Next, large toroid is added, vertical.  NO magnet in large toroid.
Next, brooks coil is added on top.  NO CHANGE in input power, because power is being generated by oscillating the flux.
2 N32 mags are added into the hole.
Next Large 1" magnet is placed on the outside of brooks coil, on the outer edge, so that the inner magnets are in attraction.

That is it so far!!  See pics below...

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

Hello ALL,

Well, just when I think optimization is over, I have a new idea..

I think it is time to tune the Brooks output coils.  I set one up as an LC tank circuit, but not yet a resonant tank.  I put a 561 1Kv cap in parallel with the output coil.  With no load.  Voltage rose quickly to 24 volts in just this one coil alone.  Now, how can I use that?  If I put a load (LED) across, it drops back to 5 volts output.  I have a kooky idea, perhaps, but want to hear from you all, first. 

I am also going to work on finding the resonant frequency of the coil and matching a cap for a resonant tuned tank.  But even then, how do I get at it?

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.