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array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works

Started by shimondoodkin, February 03, 2010, 07:27:28 PM

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HI Happyfunball
You are, compared to me,it's all relative!!
peter

Rapadura

Quote from: happyfunball on March 04, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
You're not seeing it accurately, the wheel has no real kinetic energy beyond what is being input by hand motion.

As we can see in the two videos ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj3rIFVb5w ) just after the stator passes the gate (or sticky spot) there is acceleration of the wheel, clearly caused by the magnetic forces between the stator and the permanent magnets on the wheel.

So, hand motion is not "inputing" kinetic energy. Acceleration caused by magnetic forces is "inputing" kinetic energy.

Hand motion is just working to prevent the gate from withdrawing kinetic energy from the wheel. If the stator passes along the gate, the gate (sticky spot) will withdraw kinetic energy from the wheel. If it withdraws more kinetic energy than the acceleration in the rest of the rotation can input back, it will reduce the speed of rotation, and the final result will be the wheel eventually stopping. Hand motion just prevents this from happening.

Hand motion can completely avoid the slowdown caused by the passage of the stator through the gate, using only a small energy from the human body.

We can replace hand motion by something like a cam, that has friction with the platform of the stator for a brief instant, but the slowdown caused by this friction can be much smaller than the slowdown caused by the passage of the stator along the gate.

happyfunball

Quote from: Rapadura on March 04, 2010, 09:50:22 PM
As we can see in the two videos ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj3rIFVb5w ) just after the stator passes the gate (or sticky spot) there is acceleration of the wheel, clearly caused by the magnetic forces between the stator and the permanent magnets on the wheel.

So, hand motion is not "inputing" kinetic energy. Acceleration caused by magnetic forces is "inputing" kinetic energy.

Hand motion is just working to prevent the gate from withdrawing kinetic energy from the wheel. If the stator passes along the gate, the gate (sticky spot) will withdraw kinetic energy from the wheel. If it withdraws more kinetic energy than the acceleration in the rest of the rotation can input back, it will reduce the speed of rotation, and the final result will be the wheel eventually stopping. Hand motion just prevents this from happening.

Hand motion can completely avoid the slowdown caused by the passage of the stator through the gate, using only a small energy from the human body.

We can replace hand motion by something like a cam, that has friction with the platform of the stator for a brief instant, but the slowdown caused by this friction can be much smaller than the slowdown caused by the passage of the stator along the gate.

All of the energy is input by hand movement, at the beginning of and during the cycle. 100%.

This is why, after building such a sweet looking v gate wheel out of superior materials, most likely CNC, at some expense, you have not and will not see a follow-up video showing a self powered cam activated device.

Rapadura

Quote from: happyfunball on March 04, 2010, 09:57:26 PM
All of the energy is input by hand movement, at the beginning of and during the cycle. 100%.

No. Just 0% of the energy is input by hand movement. 100% of  of the energy is input by magnetic forces, just like when a permanent magnet on a table atracts an iron ball.

happyfunball

Quote from: Rapadura on March 04, 2010, 10:01:56 PM
No. Just 0% of the energy is input by hand movement. 100% of  of the energy is input by magnetic forces, just like when a permanent magnet on a table atracts an iron ball.

If youre going to play semantics, 100% of the magnetic energy is input by a hand moving a magnet.

An iron ball will only attract to a magnet if they are positioned (hand motion) in close enough proximity. Once the iron ball has attached itself to the magnet, it will require significant outside force to separate again. A perfect analogy of what's happening with the v gate wheel.