Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets

[ltseung888]

Explaining the Double Joule Thief in terms of Lead-Out Energy Theory

Wang: “Why are you so optimistic about the Double Joule Thief?”

Tseung: “The Double Joule Thief has elements of amplification and resonance.  Both are good medium for Lead-out energy.”

Wang: “Can you try to explain the Double Joule Thief in terms of the Lead-out energy theory?  The explanation may not be perfect or even theoretically correct.  However, it could help simple folks like me to get a better understanding.”

Tseung: “I shall try.  The explanation may not be scientifically correct.  The analogy is for the purpose of understanding.”

Let us focus on the various elements:
1.   The Toroidal Coil.  From the outside, it looks like a 1:1 transformer with the two coils joined at the top.  The two coils are wound on the same ferrite core.  Thus the magnetic flux at the core will affect both Coils.
2.   The Transistor.  The transistor provides an amplifier function and a pulse DC function.  The current through the arrowed path will be on and off depending on the characteristics of the transistor. 
3.   The 33K resistor limits the amount of current that can flow through the transistor on that path.
4.   In the first Joule Thief, the 1.5 battery supplies current to both coils of the toroidal coil.  The amount of current on the RHS is expected to be larger as that part has less resistance.  The amplification property of the transistor also plays a part.
5.   The two coils will be subjected to Pulsed DC.  My analogy is pushing a pendulum to lead-out energy.  The Pulsed DC will lead-out (or draw-in) additional electron-motion energy from the environment.
6.   Thus the Output should be greater than Input.  The Output from the first Joule Thief now acts as Input to the Second Joule Thief.
7.   I do not expect much resonance in the first Joule Thief.  There is a battery acting as a block or a damper.
8.   On the Second Joule Thief, resonance can play an important role.  The 470K resistor helps to divert more current to Output.  The LHS of the second Joule Thief is effectively a LCR resonance circuit.  The pulsing can be tuned to act in phase with this resonant circuit.  I believe Observer did something to that effect.

That is my explanation from the point of the Lead-Out Energy Theory.  That should explain why a double Joule Thief might be better because of the better resonance characteristics.

The high pulsing voltage reported by Observer should be able to recharge the 1.5V battery easily.  I shall discuss that aspect in a different posting.

[The Observer]

Tseung,

Good explanation.

1. I believe resonance is set up because some of the battery's electrons can escape to the second JT.
2. The dynamic between that... and the LCR circuit formed by the second JT and the Cap... must provide the interesting Resonant Pulse.
3. It is possible that we are looking at ferromagnetic resonance.

A good Experiment with a simple transformer would involve...

1.  Finding out the Ferromagnetic Resonance of the core.
2. Tuning the Primary to that frequency.
3. Tuning the Secondary with load to same frequency.

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Also making a small HHO cell as a load
                                            to run off the Double JT or other experiments
                                                                                                might be useful in observing true energy output.

Stan Meyer probably walked down this path at one point.

The Observer

[ltseung888]

Is the Joule Thief an Overunity device?

Wang: “Is the Joule Thief an Overunity device?  Pirate (Bill) lit 400 A with one 1.5 Volt Battery !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVvdCovYDY”

Tseung: “The question is too general.  It is similar to asking whether the Tong Wheel is an overunity device.”

Wang: “That is a question you can answer.  You have played with the Tong Wheel for months now.”

Tseung: “The Tong Wheel can be configured to show overunity effects.  Much tuning was gone in to find a demonstrable setup.  I believe a similar statement will apply to the Joule Thief.”

Wang: “Observer believed that the Double Joule Thief setup may be easier to demonstrate OU.  I think he is right.”

[ltseung888]

Tseung,

Good explanation.

1. I believe resonance is set up because some of the battery's electrons can escape to the second JT.
2. The dynamic between that... and the LCR circuit formed by the second JT and the Cap... must provide the interesting Resonant Pulse.
3. It is possible that we are looking at ferromagnetic resonance.

A good Experiment would involve

1.  Finding out the Ferromagnetic Resonance of the core.
2. Tuning the Primary to that frequency.
3. Tuning the Secondary with load to same frequency.

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Also making a small HHO cell as a load
                                            to run off the Double JT or other experiments
                                                                                                might be useful in observing true energy output.

Stan Meyer probably walked down this path at one point.

The Observer

Dear Observer,

I think that we still have much exploring and researching to do.  My experiments so far indicated that there is indeed a resonance phenomenon at the secondary circuit of the toroidal transformer.  However it is very different from the calculated LCR resonance frequency.

Your suggestion that there may be ferromagnetic resonance is good.  However, when I changed the resistor or capacitor values, the resonance shape and value changed.  I still do not have a clear picture yet.

Can you propose or even work on a (double) joule thief charger?  That will be a convincing and potentially profitable venture.  I am even thinking about developing it as a battery charger for the electric cars of today. 

[The Observer]

LT,

I will give this a try.
I am going to be busy for a bit though.

The Observer