Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[allcanadian]

@Icestorm

To be honest , i really don't care about your opinion, i didnt talk like you do about hypotheses, i talked about fact. One thing you must know its in 18XX alot of controversial theory was emerging and alot of misunderstood phenomena too, that was the end of that century but the beginning of the fundamental basement for the current science. They didn't have all the equipment that we have today, in fact they had about nothing so , something unexplainable can take alot of mystical word to describe it like "Etheric force" or whatever. But when they discover in the end that its only EM Wave , its done , no more "Etheric force", but whats funny its when someone more than 100 year later look at that with the same mind as 100 year ago ignoring all the science in between and see a miracle or a hidden key in that, how do you describe that ? Current science must be understood before going back in time and searching for anomaly, else , the only thing you will do is trying to rediscover what we already know but this time by guesswork.

You know I always find it odd that even the latest nobel prize winning physicists in their literature and lectures will admit we still do not fully understand what electricity,magnetism and gravity are fundamentally. It would seem that it is always the people with the most understanding who are the first to declare that all is not know while the ones with the least understanding continue to declare that we know everything. I apply a simple logic--- If we really knew what E,B,G fields were fundamentally then we could manipulate them to our will in any number of ways---, yet even in this modern day and age we must still spin silly propellers and belch flames from our silly rockets in hopes of getting off the ground. As well most power production occurs at conversion rates far below 50%, for nuclear reactors it is near 5% I hear, lol. No, I am afraid everything is not understood in fact I think almost nothing is truely understood based solely on the dismal state of our technologies, as many state ---proof is required and I have seen very little if any in regards to useful application of supposed understanding in modern physics. It is also funny that all the theories we presently have will probably be thrown out with the bath water yet again and replaced by string and wave field theory which sound reminiscent of the same theories we had 100 years ago.

Personally I would agree with Albert Einstein--"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.", as well historically it has always been the "black sheep" individuals who have evolved science and technology and the rest are basically spectators. Again we can apply some simple logic, How can you expect to discover something new or unique if you think and act just like everyone else--when you do the same thing as everyone else?.
Regards
AC

[IceStorm]

@Icestorm
You know I always find it odd that even the latest nobel prize winning physicists in their literature and lectures will admit we still do not fully understand what electricity,magnetism and gravity are fundamentally. It would seem that it is always the people with the most understanding who are the first to declare that all is not know while the ones with the least understanding continue to declare that we know everything. I apply a simple logic--- If we really knew what E,B,G fields were fundamentally then we could manipulate them to our will in any number of ways---, yet even in this modern day and age we must still spin silly propellers and belch flames from our silly rockets in hopes of getting off the ground. As well most power production occurs at conversion rates far below 50%, for nuclear reactors it is near 5% I hear, lol. No, I am afraid everything is not understood in fact I think almost nothing is truely understood based solely on the dismal state of our technologies, as many state ---proof is required and I have seen very little if any in regards to useful application of supposed understanding in modern physics. It is also funny that all the theories we presently have will probably be thrown out with the bath water yet again and replaced by string and wave field theory which sound reminiscent of the same theories we had 100 years ago.

Personally I would agree with Albert Einstein--"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.", as well historically it has always been the "black sheep" individuals who have evolved science and technology and the rest are basically spectators. Again we can apply some simple logic, How can you expect to discover something new or unique if you think and act just like everyone else--when you do the same thing as everyone else?.
Regards
AC

Poor you, you still don't understand what i said , well , i agree with you that maybe in 100 year we will throw our current theory to the garbage, there nothing wrong here. but now listen to this sentence : If you don't know the current science HOW CAN YOU KNOW WHAT IS NORMAL OR NOT. Its exactly what people here is trying desperately to do , finding anomaly in the current science to advance it to another level. You seem that you don't know what to do so you post total non sense to the continuation of this discussion ?, wake up , what you wrote don't make any sense , Theory is Theory, Law is unmovable but not Theory but what we have should be analyzed deeper , else , tell me how you will know that you got something or not ?? The ONLY way to discover something or disprove current theory is by knowing them. I realy don't understand what you don't understand here.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

[amigo]

IceStorm,

I do sense your eagerness for facts, but what others are saying is that those who had given us the "facts" might not know what is truly factual and what is not. Besides, everyone is really just repeating like parrots what someone else told them, whether it was a teacher, a scientists, some book, etc. Nobody really *knows*...

I'll give you a really "cute" example of what I mean...have you seen the movie Contact? If so, please recall the scene at the presidential reception where Palmer Joss (the religious leader) talks to Dr. Arroway, and they are debating science vs. religion, fact vs. faith.
At one point he asks her: "Did you love your father?"
She responds something like: "What kind of a question is that? Of course I did."
Then he says: "Prove it!"

I love facts, but lately I realize more and more that I can not say what's fact and what's fiction (or faith), as I really do not *know* for sure. Most of the things were told/taught to me by someone else, and even the things I "discovered" for myself, I am not sure of either.

How many things you yourself can honestly say that you *know*, rather than "believing", taking on pure faith, or taking for granted as told by the orthodox science?

[IceStorm]

IceStorm,

I do sense your eagerness for facts, but what others are saying is that those who had given us the "facts" might not know what is truly factual and what is not. Besides, everyone is really just repeating like parrots what someone else told them, whether it was a teacher, a scientists, some book, etc. Nobody really *knows*...

I'll give you a really "cute" example of what I mean...have you seen the movie Contact? If so, please recall the scene at the presidential reception where Palmer Joss (the religious leader) talks to Dr. Arroway, and they are debating science vs. religion, fact vs. faith.
At one point he asks her: "Did you love your father?"
She responds something like: "What kind of a question is that? Of course I did."
Then he says: "Prove it!"

I love facts, but lately I realize more and more that I can not say what's fact and what's fiction (or faith), as I really do not *know* for sure. Most of the things were told/taught to me by someone else, and even the things I "discovered" for myself, I am not sure of either.

How many things you yourself can honestly say that you *know*, rather than "believing", taking on pure faith, or taking for granted as told by the orthodox science?

I understand what you say but there a concept that you dont fully understand in what you wrote, Fact doesn't mean (for scientist)  that you know that if you mix A with B you get C as result  , a fact is Mathematical , take Ohm law for example, if someone don't know the Ohm law you will have a infinite debate with him about his experimentation, because he will not understand correctly how to Mathematically interpret his result, same thing with Lenz law, Faraday Law etc . How many people you see working with capacitor and coil here ? how many have you seen calculating the Inductive Reactance and capacitive Reactance ? but you see them trying to interpret blindly the end result. Doing a experiment is firstly Mathematical, for knowing the end result , if the end result is not what you expected after experimented, there 3 choice, you made a error in your  calculation, you forgot to calculate a parameter , you found a anomaly. There no reason to make blindly a experiment if you have no idea what the solution should look like. By playing with the mathematical concept you can extrapolate new theory and do experiment to prove that you are right. Its the only way for the science to advance. Its why i said that people should learn the current science first, and extrapolate later by having all the current view so they will be able to mix new theory and doing real experiment on new concept (or old concept).Tesla was EE and had a heavy mathematical background, like Moray and many other who was great thinker. Look at tesla colorado note , he never done anything blindly, everything was recorded and mathematicaly confirmed.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

[ramset]

Ice storm

Math won't tell us all the answers!

This Guy didn't need it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Some times a little reverse engineering [like the fellows in TPU]

and a lot of hard work are all we have !

But this Quest will come to fruition!

Chet