LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work

[gyulasun]

Hi Butch,

Don't expect any OU with a cheap AC induction motor as prime mover, it is only good at detecting increases or decreases in rotor torque.

Actually, the results are somewhat confusing to me. The switcher has a small advantage, but the input watts, with toroid, no caps, went up as the ohms increased. The input watts, with no toroid, no caps, went down as the ohms increased. Maybe Gyula or others have some insight.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry,

I think in both cases the transformer lamination works in near saturation mainly from the strong Neos and the changing load current's (counter) flux either works against the prime mover when the toroid is there or works for it when the toroid is not present. Earlier you mentioned to Butch Thane's generator with its strange behavior in case of high or low Ohm output coils, I think a similar effect manifests here with your 10 Ohm output coil.
It is true your 10 Ohm coil does not sound a high Ohm value, nor does it give out some hundred Volts but still that coil may have enough self capacitance (as a multilayer mains transformer coil normally has) to cause those strange effect.

So, if the above reasonings are more or less correct, then core saturation somehow should be dealt with first (try using much weaker magnets), and your output coil ought to be redesigned. 

There is one more notice:
In your earlier tests when you found input power demand increased for the 10 Ohm load wrt the 100 Ohm load, (either without or with the series resonating capacitor)  how can the increase be explained in a setup like this?  Maybe a mechanical revision is also in order if the laminations saturation could be excluded?

rgds,  Gyula

[LarryC]

I think in both cases the A lamination works in near saturation mainly from the strong Neos and the changing load current's (counter) flux either works against the prime mover when the toroid is there or works for it when the toroid is not present. Earlier you mentioned to Butch Thane's generator with its strange behavior in case of high or low Ohm output coils, I think a similar effect manifests here with your 10 Ohm output coil.
It is true your 10 Ohm coil does not sound a high Ohm value, nor does it give out some hundred Volts but still that coil may have enough self capacitance (as a multilayer mains transformer coil normally has) to cause those strange effect.

So, if the above reasonings are more or less correct, then core saturation somehow should be dealt with first (try using much weaker magnets), and your output coil ought to be redesigned. 

There is one more notice:
In your earlier tests when you found input power demand increased for the 10 Ohm load wrt the 100 Ohm load, (either without or with the series resonating capacitor)  how can the increase be explained in a setup like this?  Maybe a mechanical revision is also in order if the laminations saturation could be excluded?

I can try smaller magnets to reduce the saturation, but I do not agree that a 10 Ohm coil can have any significant parasitic capacitance. I've done a lot of testing with high Ohm coils. In the picture below is a 76 and 121 Ohm coil using 28 gauge wire. Thane has done 100's of test. 60 Ohm is close to the lowest that would cause the speed up effect.

My 76 Ohm coil seems close in size to one of those used by Lafonte group in earlier test, where they used four spools.


'In your earlier tests when you found input power demand increased for the 10 Ohm load wrt the 100 Ohm load'    Not sure what you stated here.

Regards, Larry

[Butch LaFonte]

Sorry to double post, but what do you think about this design butch?  It's the same concept as the new design you have, except the coil 'arms' extend along the rotor shaft instead of the sides.  If you added another switcher unit 180 degrees further down the shaft, the flux through the coil would be attracted to the other magnet.  I thought this might be easier and allow for more coils in a small space.

I really like this layout, it just looks like it would have no other choice but to work!
Butch

[Butch LaFonte]

Hi all.
Today I made an metal core out of very fine particles A with resin.
I get the material from the waste shute of a shot blasting machine in a foundry. It is almost like powder.
I sifted it with a magnet, then mixed one part of the resin in. After that I mixed the second part of the resin in, and packed the mix into the mold.
I also tested it for continuity and there is nothing at all. No buzz from the meter even with the probes at less than 1 mm apart!!!
That shows that all the particles are insulated from each other.
I made it all one piece so now I just have to cut the ends off and put some coils on, then screw the coils back in.
The core is very magnetic, and I only just coated the particles enough to bind.
Scotty.

It looks like that is just what we have been looking for. Eddy current drag is our only obstacle at this point.
Butch

[Butch LaFonte]

I have just seen to much Discovery Channel. "In the name ov science, question everything"  . I was not very contributing in that post, but I did not mean to fight the project, but there was a moment I couldn't see the use of the switch if it is impossoble to harness energy in an overunity way. I do indeed think this is a very interesting project, with an approach that is not very common. Keep up the good work Butch. Looking forward to the final product!

Vidar

If we can over come the eddy current drag problem we have the real deal here. I always thought the layout that worked would be something simple like this.
Butch