"Pious Fraud"

[Omnibus]

? which is NOT over-unity, and never will be.

That may or may not be true regarding Paul Sprain?s device. It is not true, however, with respect to SMOT, Wesley Snyder and Walter Torbay?s motors. They are overunity.

[Velakand]

Sprain's motor is not over unity.
No SMOT has, or ever will, close the loop.
Looking for some elusive "special arrangement" that will produce energy from permanent magnets is futile.  In a conservative field, the detailed configuration of any device is irrelevant. It is fighting geometry. You may as well try to make a quadrilateral whose interior angles do not add up to 360 degrees.
Anyone who can clearly DEMONSTRATE any device that continuously produces energy purely from permanent magnets should take it to James Randi and claim their million dollars.

Please give references / url's for the Snyder and Torbay motors.

[Omnibus]

No SMOT has, or ever will, close the loop.

Closing the loop doesn?t matter. The SMOT produces excess energy periodically.

Looking for some elusive "special arrangement" that will produce energy from permanent magnets is futile.

No, you?re wrong. Wesley Snyder produces excess energy from permanent magnets not to speak of Walter Torbay. Walter Torbay?s motor produces excess energy with his magnetic motor big time.

In a conservative field, the detailed configuration of any device is irrelevant. It is fighting geometry. You may as well try to make a quadrilateral whose interior angles do not add up to 360 degrees.

No, that is not the case. Your comparison is wrong.

Anyone who can clearly DEMONSTRATE any device that continuously produces energy purely from permanent magnets should take it to James Randi and claim their million dollars.

Please give references / url's for the Snyder and Torbay motors.

James Randy should be ready with his money. Where exactly can one claim James Randy?s million dollars? (This million will be just on the side; there are more important implications from these achievements.)

[Clarky]

I think the problem is that most people labelling it as impossible are doing so soley under classical electrodynamics, so often a very old limited theory is trying to dictate practical.

So from that perspective you see a permanent magnet as not having any real energy output, ie .. a static forcefield in space.

Lets not forget that classical and even quantum cannot explain the source of the charge that maintains the dipole, so to state that permanent magnets or the vector potential have no directly useful energy to give in certain setups is short sighted to say the least,  given that present physics cannot even explain the entire phenomena properly.

[berferd]

No SMOT has, or ever will, close the loop.

You're trying to get across a scientific idea to someone who is arguing from a religious position.

I tried to show Omnibus why the SMOT isn't overunity and exactly why you must manually place the ball at the "input" each time you want it to go, (check out the "Pauls Device; a damn shame he regrets revealing it" thread) but obviously it went right over his head.

Some people go through life mystified by the simplest things.  It's kind of frustrating to see that degree of failure in our educational system.