Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor

[CazadorDeTruchos]

@DomiChi:

Every time you open your mouth, is exposed your biggest ignorance. People like you, are the useful idiots for scams like Yildiz, Mike Brady an others.

All your arguments are based on your belief.

THE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.

Please go back to elementary school, and learn again.

Have you discovered new laws of physics? Then present them to scientific world and win the Nobel Prize.!! GO DomiChi, GO!!

Meanwhile, gently I tell you: not to play the role of an idiot.

I'll explain ... as if you were my grandmother, I hope you understand now:

WHY A MAGNETIC MOTOR WILL NEVER WORK?

In some ways, gravity may be thought of as being similar to an elastic band. When you supply energy to an elastic band by stretching it (chemical energy supplied to your muscles is converted to mechanical energy to stretch the elastic band), the elastic band will snap back to approximately its original state. Specifically, if you hold one end of the elastic band to the floor and stretch the other end upwards, it will snap back down to the floor when you release the upper end of it. Bearing this in mind, think again about gravity. Gravity is a force not wholly dissimilar with the analogy of the elastic band. Like an elastic band, it does not contain energy unless you first supply it with energy. The energy used to move objects upwards (like stretching an elastic band) causes acceleration of things such as apples (objects which have mass) when they are allowed to fall back to the ground (acceleration).

But gravity cannot apply its 'force field' to "falling" objects like apples unless energy has first been supplied to raise them from the ground. In the case of apples, chemical energy has been supplied to cause the apple tree to grow and form apples. So too, when you lift an object from the ground and release it, it will fall because you supplied chemical energy to lift it in the first place.

We may think objects fall to the ground 'because of' the effect of gravity, and in a narrow sense this is right. But when you think about it more carefully, you will realise that the object has only fallen to the ground because energy was supplied to it beforehand (work was performed) in the process of lifting it upwards in the first place.

For this reason, even in the best possible scenario of component efficiency, you can never get more energy out of a gravity based device than you put into it in the first place to lift things above ground level. Output can never exceed input.

Energy always has to be expended lifting objects up from the floor and the 'force' of gravity cannot possibly ever add 'extra' energy to the object. When you lifted it, you added energy, but it does not gain energy on the way down.

The same general principle applies to magnets. Just because magnets have lines of force (similar to gravity), does not mean that magnets contain 'energy'. They do not. If static or stationary magnets really did contain 'energy', we would be able to connect devices and wires to them and use them as batteries or power supplies, but we cannot do this because they do not contain any energy.

In point of fact, neither gravity nor magnetic field lines in magnets possess energy. Energy must always be supplied from outside for the inherent 'field lines or forces' to seem to perform work. Consider how Faraday's law applies to solenoids. You always have to move a magnet inside a copper coil, or vice versa, you have to move a copper coil near a magnet to produce electrical energy. If magnets in stasis contained any energy whatsoever, you would not need to do this. You would be able to generate electricity without having to move the magnet at all; without having to move it relative to the coil or vice versa. But this is not so because magnets do not contain any energy. Energy must always be supplied from an external source (for example by your hand) to move the magnet or to move the solenoid.

The upshot of this is that working 'magnetic motors' made from arrays of magnets are impossible; have always been impossible and will always be impossible (unless you go to a different Universe where different laws of physics apply).

External energy must always be added to magnet based devices to enable them to rotate. External energy must always be added to gravity based systems to enable them to perform work.

Our predisposition to confuse force (in the sense of field lines) with energy or power has led countless inventors to waste time and resources trying to build PM magnetic motors, PM pendulums, and other gravity based machines, but none of these devices can ever possibly work because the laws of physics render them impossible. Just because you do not understand why it cannot work will not change the facts. These devices cannot ever possibly work. PM is impossible.

There are plenty of brilliant innovative inventors on this forum but some of them are oblivious to the central fact that field lines do not equate with energy or power. They are different things, and work must always be performed on objects (mass) if they are to be provided with with acceleration (F= m*a).

Looking at this issue from an another perspective, suppose, by some ingenious hitherto undiscovered method, an intellectual colossus manages to get a 'PM Magnet-motor' to rotate continuously, without any external power supply being fed into it. Let us suppose the electrical output of this mystery machine is then connected back to the machine itself. We know from Einstein that E=MC2. Accordingly, the machine would gain mass as it generated and stored power, until the point when it would have infinite mass...which is impossible.

My respectful suggestion? Stop wasting time and resources trying to build PM machines based on magnets and gravity. They cannot possibly ever work. Ever. People have been trying to build them for centuries. If it were possible for them to work, they would have been built by now.

Instead, build something useful. Something that has utility or which can convert externally derived energy into other forms, and thus has a chance of performing useful work. You cannot convert the 'force' of gravity or the 'force' of magnetism into energy without performing externally derived work on the systems.

@DomiChi:

Have you understood something that I've written?
If not: Please go back to elementary school and study again.

Conspiracies? Please do not come to us with these stories. A conspiracy can´t stop a physical law. You are very pathetic.

If it makes you happy, continue believing that they exist:

[DomiChi]

@CazadorDeTruchos:The pack pugs enlarged. Except now there is the dumbest. Not even realize that his calumnies could cost their place to Dutch people.

You do not even answer to my question about your knowledge, and about you. Have you ever done something positive on the net that can let me think that you are not as stupide as you look on this thread.
And also so stupid to see that I play with pugs on this thred. Sorry I have no bone to throw.

THE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.

I have proof that even with fact scientists do not always beleive it. I have proof.

Have you understood something that I've written?
If not: Please go back to elementary school and study again.

I have no time to loose to read you calomnies.

[profitis]

@de truchos.there are no new laws of physics required for a working perpeual motion device of the 2nd kind,just a better understanding of the laws.are you trying to tell me that every law of nature has been fully explored to the max since 1890?absolute rubbish

[gauschor]

Just because magnets have lines of force (similar to gravity), does not mean that magnets contain 'energy'. They do not. If static or stationary magnets really did contain 'energy', we would be able to connect devices and wires to them and use them as batteries or power supplies, but we cannot do this because they do not contain any energy.

I wouldn't be so sure about it, as the Vacuum Triode Amplifier and maybe also the Coler Magnetstromapparat were be based on that. Of course they also put in energy, but only very little compared to the output. Assumptions are that they vibrated the magnet in a way that it released much more energy than the input, practically some kind of induction effect from a static magnet.

[DomiChi]

@de truchos.there are no new laws of physics required for a working perpeual motion device of the 2nd kind,just a better understanding of the laws.are you trying to tell me that every law of nature has been fully explored to the max since 1890?absolute rubbish

You are right profitis. I had never seen any law about black energy. But we know that we are in, and that it is 75% of univers. A lot more than material. Perhaps have we something to do to use it?