Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!

[gravityblock]

Broli,

I'm trying to revive one of your old threads at the energeticforum.  I hope you take a look at the publication on "hidden momentum" found in the below thread.  Hidden momentum may be a factor in this thread also. It's good to see you're still around.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3935-magnet-motor-using-repeling-magnets-radial-magnets-if-availbale.html#post141123

Thanks,

GB

[broli]

Yes it's all related, it all comes down to moving charge that cause forces to act and react.

[dieter]

Wow.


Somebody call Mulder and Scully. This is real twilight zone stuff.


Steve posted frequently about every step of his project, up to page 11, then all of a sudden and for no reason he suddently disappears. At the same time the thread get's flooded by some weirdo offtopic spam. A brief note by gravityblock, about continuing a related topic on another forum, then exitus.


You guys can't he serious. What were the results? Even if you were completely unsuccessful, let us know! Even if you were locked up in a sanatory due to "free energy mental disorder", let us know... we may get you out of there, Rambo style.


On page 2 or 3 or so, some phantastic suggestions were made (a real HEUREKA experience, don't miss it!). See the drawing of the two HPGs on one axle, one of them with reverse polarity, connected in series: basicly  brushless HPG! Even if that isn't OU, it's a remarkable achievement! None tried that? Unbelievable! So simple, logic and coherent (just as a smartass sprinkle word)...


A couple of very basic questions I got, that maybe somebody can answer due to first hand practical experience:


When we rotate Disc and Magnet and we use eg. only carbon brushes, but abolutely no metals in the near environment  so no "external circuit", do we still get a voltage/current?


We know we won't get a voltage when the load rotates with the disc, but does (as gravityblock assumed) a second HPG of opposite rotation substitute the "external circuit"? Does it even double the potential?


If so, does instead of opposite rotation a simple opposite polarity work as well?


If so, then you know what that means. We could rotate them on the same axle, with the load between them in series, as described by Gravityblock.


Furthermore it was said, to use a HPG as a HPM, one would have to use an input that is of the opposite polarity, compared to the output of the HPG, when rotating in the same direction... I think that is nonsense! Please somebody confirm this!


Furthermore, I find it very interesting to imagine what happens when you simply loop the current flow: the more  current is generated, the more it will feed to itself. With low losses there may be a recursive selfamplification to some degree.


Furthermore, assuming the structure of the disc, eg. a pancake coil, is so that it generates an electromagnet as soon as current flows, and that magnet ADDS to the permanent magnet (which is simply a matter of cw vs ccw), then, due to the fact that the output of the HPG is RPM * (Diameter^2)*Magnet strength, this will also recursively add to the efficiency!


BUT... it could be that the HPG needs some sort of radial electron propagation and a pancake coil and esp. a serial bifilar one, may not provide enough radial paths, so the initial, old idea of the spiral sections as a middle way may be the better choice. Of course both should be tested. The prototype should allow to turn the discs/coils by 180° (cw vs ccw) and the axle to rotate in both directions, this way it should be possible to test if this theory fits the real world.


At least, it was Tesla who said he was able to run a HPG as a fuelless generator.


Would be nice if somebody is still in here, or at least has some helpfull information.


BR

[Paul-R]

Here's the motor concept.

The spiral disk and the solid disk are only connected at the axis. Both of the disks spin together, the magnet is stationary. There should be no induced emf as both disks generate an equal amount of voltage when spun, however the solid disk produces a torque while the spiral disk does not.

This reminds me of Tesla's (monofilar) pancake coil. I wonder if this advances the thinking in any way.

[dieter]

Well, a pancake coil instead of a disc was the whole point of Bruces project. As I said, pity he never posted the results.


I am currently doing some tests, but working with tiny models is rather fruitless, because the output quadruples with the radius: speed * magnet strength * (radius^2). That said, these generators tend to have very marginal outputs, like a few millivolts with a few milliamps, eg. from 2 microwave ring magnets sandwiching a copper disc. Which is silly when you rotate them with a 300W motor.
But lets assume a 8cm disc outputs 1 Watt, then a 128 cm disc would deliver 256 watt, with the same rpm and field strength. Well, still not that much, considering the size.


Nevertheless: Tesla was convinced that a self+exciting operation must be possible, with spiral intersections.

.BTW. why did nobody ever try ionized water instead of a brush, for the rim contact?

BR