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Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!

Started by Bruce_TPU, March 21, 2010, 07:22:45 PM

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Bruce_TPU

March 21, 2010, 07:22:45 PM
Hello Everyone,

The following idea is something I have been researching and considering for sometime, when the pieces fell together last night in my study time...

I have notorized and documented this idea, so if anyone attempts to steal it for personal gain, it will not work.  But experimentation is of course always welcome.

Please feel free to try to punch holes in the idea, improve the idea, test the idea, before I spend some serious money on it, as I intend to do, the moment I have completed testing my SSG3, even if said testing is successful.   ;)

I believe that Tesla found that by using his bifilar wound Pancake coil, he was able to make his Unipolor Dynamo to Self Run.

I see it as completely possible based on my research of both units, and the proper combining of the two of them as I believe I have discovered that they fit!   :o

Simple Setup:

Two axially magnatized disc magnets, in attraction, with a Tesla Pancake bifilar wound coil sandwiched between them.  An outer ring of copper would circle the outer circumference of said pancake coil, for a set of 6 brushes to remove current flow.  Inside center of coil would be run out to a second ring to remove current flow of opposing sign.

This unit would be partially levitated initially but full levitation for the future to limit ALL friction.  Input current would also be PULSED as seen in the Youtube video provided, to limit substantially the needed input power to bring rotation.

The second rendition would be a second bifilar pancake coil atop of the magnet that is on top of the first bifilar pancake coil.  As there are magnets above already, this would give a second complete output.  These could then continued to be stacked in future experiments.

On the first experiment, with steel plates on top of top magnet and bottom of bottom magnet, may or may not be needed.

Please let me know all of your thoughts, ideas and experiments.

Please no one say that the two rotating magnets, rotating with the coil will not produce power...  :D  They will, aka Faraday's Paradox, also we believe the magnetic fields do not see the magnets rotating....aka the earth, so Lorentz law of induction is indeed fulfilled as the field lines cut through the coil.  (usually a copper plate was used = Lenz, and had great inefficiencies.  Also a motor was used to turn it.  ;)  )

I also don't understand why no one using pulse motors with the tops of their rotor's doing nothing, don't use this principle.

Brushes are needed.
Should the magnets be coated in rubber, if they are conductive, otherwise, perhaps Lenz will show his head, or perhaps just the steel backings will work...

I desire to make a 3" Version, using N42, by 1/8" thick to start.  Sometimes less is more and I want to start off with a proof of design.

Pancake coil will be about 4" to 5".  I do not know what size wire to use and would like some ideas.  Typically these would be HV, but....Unipolar generator is typically low voltage, high amperage.

1.  Pulse for input is a must.
2.  Getting brushes right to avoid Lenz is a must.
3.  Discovering if magnets should be rubber coated is a must.
4.  Determining type of wire for pancake coil.  I am looking at Stranded, NOT Litz, based on Steven Mark's words about wires in a magnetic field and harvesting (collecting) current stream.
5.  Discovering how many coils can be pancaked, ie..magnet, coil, magnet, coil, magnet, coil, etc.

Please see all information below:Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmDOpSXq7G4&feature=related

Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator

Tesla Patent:  (differant incarnation, earlier vision)
406968
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=MvdbAAAAEBAJ&dq=406968

Tesla Notes on Unipolar Dynamo:http://www.andrijar.com/teslahom/teslahom.pdf

Thank you ahead of time for your assistance with this future project,

Bruce

EDIT:  Page 9 below is not of patent but of Tesla's notes on his Unipolar Dynamo.  Sorry about the misname.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

infringer

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March 21, 2010, 09:18:53 PM
I was under the impression that the electric is only produced when the force of the magnet crosses perpendicular to the wire... So it would have to swing back and forth over the coil to generate electric from my understanding I could be wrong though I am not really sure weather I am 100% correct that is what I was told I never tried to see personally...

Easy test though get a round magnet with a hole in the center put it over a pancake wound coil then slap a screw or bolt through hole tighten it in the chuck of a your cordless drill slap it on fast speed and measure the output ... If need be use two drills with two magnets spin the one on top and you can get it as close as you need with the other one mounted on the surface....

I believe you should first attempt this and get some measurements before going all out and dropping a crap load of cash on an expensive rig of some sort!

Enjoy
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March 21, 2010, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: infringer on March 21, 2010, 09:18:53 PM
I was under the impression that the electric is only produced when the force of the magnet crosses perpendicular to the wire... So it would have to swing back and forth over the coil to generate electric from my understanding I could be wrong though I am not really sure weather I am 100% correct that is what I was told I never tried to see personally...

Easy test though get a round magnet with a hole in the center put it over a pancake wound coil then slap a screw or bolt through hole tighten it in the chuck of a your cordless drill slap it on fast speed and measure the output ... If need be use two drills with two magnets spin the one on top and you can get it as close as you need with the other one mounted on the surface....

I believe you should first attempt this and get some measurements before going all out and dropping a crap load of cash on an expensive rig of some sort!

Enjoy

I highlighted the part of your quote that is so.o.o important...  Your statement is true... and this is the beauty of this but can be difficult to wrap ones mind around...

If you have a stationary North magnet, and a stationary South magnet, with a gap between them, and you move a coil, pancake or otherwise between them, they produce an electron flow on the coil.

If you have a stationary coil, but have a N and S facing magnet for the sake of this thought experiment, that rotate around a stationary coil between the two, it will produce an electron flow on the coil.

Now, here is where the cool part comes in... If you take a north facing up magnet, put copper on top of it, and put a South facing down magnet on top of that copper, then to you an me all we see is a spinning magnet and copper sandwich, but to the "observer" (Einstein's theory of relativity) if you were nanoscopic (my word) and could visually see the magnetic flux between the magnets, that flux would not be moving, at all, but what you would see is a very nicely built pancake coil spinning at great speed! 

I know for a fact that this works with a copper disc, so why would it not work with a coil?  The North and South field lines are still cutting through the wire as the coil spins, or is this special to a copper disc only?  I would truly be amazed if it were.

Having said all of that, the drill is a very good idea, but to wind a pancake coil that small, and to make tiny brushes might be a pain...

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Jimboot

#3
March 22, 2010, 01:38:49 AM
Aaahaaa now I understand why you suggested a pancake coil on my rotor. I did research on YT as suggested. As you know from my photos, I need more coil winding experience! Bloody interesting stuff tho.

Airstriker

#4
March 22, 2010, 09:10:51 AM
If you are not familiar with unipolar generator you should read also this:

http://www.physics.umd.edu/lecdem/outreach/QOTW/arch11/q218unipolar.pdf

What you will find interesting there is the fact, that it works by just having a rotating magnet only. No copper disc needed. But still Lenz law applies. So I'm no really sure your idea with pancake coil will work. But give it a try if you like.
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