The Problem With Free Energy Ideas

[nightlife]

"I respectfully disagree.  There is such a thing as free energy and I use it every day.  Both my earth battery (EER) and Joule Thief circuits give me free energy which I use on a daily basis.  Now if you meant Overunity, then, you may be correct."

It may be free to you but something worked to produce it which means it wasn't free.

"My Joule Thief circuits run off of "dead" AA batteries that other have tossed out.  I get them for free so I get a lot of free light for many, many hours off of each one.

Do you see my point?"

The battery's are not actually dead and again, it may be free to you but it really isn't free energy at all.

"I am not creating energy out of nothing here.  It is not overunity but, I will agree that frequency plays a large part in everything I am able to do.  Tesla knew this and we are now re-learning it today."

I agree.

Keep up the good work.

[WilbyInebriated]

It may be free to you but something worked to produce it which means it wasn't free.

if it didn't cost a dime out of my pocket. it is free. that is the definition of free in this context.

The battery's are not actually dead and again, it may be free to you but it really isn't free energy at all.

so pay the electric company to light your lights and we will light ours with batteries we got for free that are "dead". and while your at it, waste half of the energy capacity you have paid money for and throw out your "not actually dead batteries" as per status quo... or better yet, donate them to someone who challenges the status quo and chooses not to be 'one man who wastes enough for thousands' and will use the remaining energy.

keep up the good work.

[antigrav89]

Ilia Prigogine showed that non linear, far from equilibrium open systems can self-organize through fluctuations or dissipative processes by irreversibly
evolving from chaos to ordered states without violating any of the laws of Thermodynamics.
IMO, most of the free-energy devices use this approach by stressing the highly turbulent vacuum medium through shock-waves using,
for example, High-voltage input sources (Searl's SEG, Biefeld-Brown effect) or buckling fields (Sweet-Floyd's VTA)...

The second ingredient required for implementing free-energy solutions is based on the negative mass concept.

H. Bondi considers the three following cases, depending on the sign of the inertial mass, and the gravitational (active and passive)
masses (cf. H. Bondi, "Negative Mass In General Relativity" (1957). Rev. Mod. Phys. 29, 423):

(i) Inertial mass negative, gravitational mass is
positive. A body consisting of matter of this kind will
respond perversely to all forces whether gravitational
or of other kinds, but will produce gravitational forces
just as a usual body does.

(ii) Inertial mass positive, gravitational masses
negative. In this case we would have normal behavior
relating to all nongravitational forces, but gravitational
behavior involving masses of this type and of type (i)
would be governed by a negative Coulomb law; i.e.,
like masses would attract and unlike masses would
repel.

(iii) All mass is negative. This would be a combination
of (i) and (ii). Matter of this kind responds
perversely to nongravitational forces, responds like
ordinary matter to gravitational forces [a negative mass does not fall upwards in the gravitational field of an active mass body, like the Earth] , but produces
repulsive gravitational fields.

Only the case (iii) is physically acceptable since it is consistent with the Einstein's Equivalence Principle (inertial mass equals to gravitational mass).
In this case, a negative mass repels both negative and positive masses and a positive mass attracts both negative and positive masses,
so  when a positive and a negative mass are present together, the negative mass repels the positive mass which attracts the negative mass (leading to the so-called runaway behavior where positive and negative mass bodies chase each other), and the two masses accelerate with the same rate and in the same direction (that of the positive mass), while keeping the same separation between each other, if the two masses are equal and opposite.
The runaway behavior, which does not violate the momentum and energy conservation laws (since the total momentum and the total kinetic energy are null but the interaction potential energy is not) is generally rejected as unphysical by most of the mainstream physicists who retain the case (ii).

Yet, it has been shown, both theoretically and experimentally, that the runaway behavior may be obtained by simulating negative masses
using mass-spring oscillating systems (cf. J. Zhou et al, "Experimental study on interaction between a positive mass and a negative effective mass through a mass–spring system", Theoretical and Applied Mechanics Letters 5 (2015) 196–199).

Quantum electromagnetic vacuum is often modelled by electron-positron virtual (positive mass) particles pairs associated to the quantum vacuum fluctuations.
IMO, the quantum vacuum fluctuations might be made of positive and negative quantum entangled mass pseudo-particles states viewed from the exterior a single zero-mass state that might be separated and self-organize by stressing the vacuum medium.
These positive and negative quantum vacuum mass states might also have electric equal and opposite charges (as to ensure electric neutrality).

Thus, what we have is two oppositely charged particles that accelerate with the same rate in the same direction and have zero total mass, that may create a current, but contrarily to the superconducting current created by Cooper (positive mass) electron pairs weakly-coupled with the positive ions of the conducting material, the negative-positive mass strongly coupled pairs have zero mass, so zero inertia and there are no heat dissipative processes and no energy losses and
no extreme cooling is required for the the conducting material.
As these supercurrents self-organize from turbulent vacuum medium, entropy decreases along with the temperature of the material leading to the cold 
currents phenomena usually observed in the free-energy experiments. Once such a free-energy device is started, it can also become self-running.

If positive and negative mass states can be isolated from each other, the runaway behavior makes possible to implement field propulsion propellant-less drives
such as the Alcubierre drive without requiring any hypothetical exotic matter since negative mass matter can be tapped into the quantum vacuum.

The document by G. A. Landis from NASA in the attached file gives a clear account of negative mass concept.

[stivep]

Thus, what we have is two oppositely charged particles that accelerate with the same rate in the same direction and have zero total mass, that may create a current,
The document by G. A. Landis from NASA in the attached file gives a clear account of negative mass concept.

Well there is some misunderstanding here.

1. Negative mass is any region of space in which for some observers the mass density is measured to be negative.
    This could occur due to    a  region of space in which the stress component of the Einstein stress–energy tensor is larger in magnitude    than the mass density.
So in reality  there is no negative mass but  just  conditional negative  mass  and depends from position of an observer.

/Negative_mass#:~-negative mass is a type of exotic matter whose mass is of opposite sign to the mass of normal matter, e.g. −1 kg.
-It is used in certain speculative hypothetical technologies,

2. If we  look for zero total mass, we see photon  having no mass and immune to gravitation.
   however not photon but space-time around mass object is curved  so the photon fallows the lines  of that curvature.   
  and that is why some sources says about  photon being  affected by gravitation
 
3.  is photon a particle?
     A photon is a tiny particle of light. It is the tiniest particle of light possible in nature.
     A photon can also be described as a type of quantum, that is, a tiny particle.
      https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2019/09/how-does-gravity-affect-photons-that-is-bend-light-if-photons-   
     Photons have-no-mass and no charge
     
But you description of particle Dear  antigrav89 stays about no mass and charge
and here I  have problem.
quote:
"A photon is massless, has no electric charge,"
Photon#:~:

So the problem I have  with your comment is that you specified  the net outcome ( total) of  particles  being  opposite  in charge as having no mass.

Question:
If than  the charge is canceled and  total mass of the resulting  spice is  zero, than how that unnamed  by you  product  differs from photon?
and  if it doesn't  differ than  your statement about current being caused by  it   is false .
for your entertainment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS_rEzKdzBA

Wesley

[sm0ky2]

The theory of thermodynamics is a psychological construct used to govern our thoughts. The laws of thermodynamics only apply to a theoretical closed system we humans are unable to create here or in the reachable space around our planet.


In a dynamic system, energy is transformed and transfered constantly from one state to the next.
Where there is chaos, there is potential energy.
Ordering is the consumption of that energy, which disperses back into chaos.


Things come into form and are destroyed only to become something else.
With or without what we perceive as 'nature'.


"Energy out of nothing" is a phrase intended to mythologize new fields of energy research that extend beyond our perception. Rather that we should say Energy from a yet unknown source, in need of further investigation.


Matter itself has been observed to manifest out of nothing or disappear into nothing again.
At times we have the tools and knowledge to observe some of the energies involved, at other times we assume we know they must exist.


Even when we remove and filter out all energy we can manipulate, we still find energies entering our systems, perturbing the chaos into forming structure.
The echoes of destruction feed the mechanisms of structure.


We have little understanding of 'what energy is' nor where it comes from.
Our human definitions only allow us to imagine it under confined conditions.
The Free Energy movement is more about the freedom to discover new methods of generating and harvesting energy for our purposes, a freedom that threatens the only "law" that controls it.