GBluer(Slayer) Exiter

[The Architect]

I should point out again, that from my conversation with Gbluer, the issue is not that this guy is selling something, but rather than he is purposefully leaving out that it is an opensource design, and where to get it, so as to garner money from people for sending them paper copies of the design, also it seems he is, or was in one of the videos, insinuating that the design was different than anything on the web and that to get said circuit design you pretty much had to come to him.

Most of the people donating that I see, are doing so to get that kit of coils and parts, or just sending this guy money so he can do more research. but the few who are being fooled into thinking they are buying a design that can not be gotten from the opensource community are going to be pretty pissed I bet when they do stumble onto these pages. Also the discussion further lead where I see that Gbluer is going to try to rectify this by putting something up that money given will be understood that it is for parts and labor, and where to get the info freely if you want to source your own parts and build everything your self.  I hope I am right, because that seems like it was originally intended by most who provide things as opensource rather than try to close source it.

[SeaMonkey]

SeaChimp


Not workin for me Bud ,Your attitude is very short sited ,Just because you think These guys working together are wasting their time [nothing there] or we have to comply or hide because there are men amongst us that would steal candy from a baby?


Just lay down and let them wipe their feet on us??


Nah ,What we do is Charity work,I personally do this to contribute a positive Model to the world
not a weak or powerless one.
If we don't stand up for right and wrong ,   wrong will take its place every time.


SHAME ON THOSE BOYS FOR STEALING FROM CHARITABLE MEN !!

Ramset,

You can stomp your feet, cry, whine, yell
and holler all you want;  but until you propose
a plan of action which meets the demands of
the legal process you'll accomplish naught.

Claiming that something has been stolen from
the Public Domain is very difficult to prove
since there is a legal definition for "stealing"
and "theft."  Is that what has truly taken place
in this case?

Or, is it simply a case of unrealistic expectations
and carelessness in this Dog Eat Dog World?

There is a legal judicial process which can be
resorted to in order to claim damages but the
process demands at the minimum an enforceable
contract or agreement between the belligerent
parties.

Your efforts to create a groundswell of complaining
forum members will accomplish nothing legally.

You're beating a dead horse.  You've lost whatever
battle you've conceived in your own mind.  You have
no legal ground to stand on.  There has not been any
real theft.

At some point Boys must grow into Men.

Nothing has been lost.  Nothing is at peril.
The Open Source Community is a worthy cause
but it is not for everybody.

Those who want to maintain control over their
work have no choice but to seek legal protections
in the appropriate manner.  Contracts and/or
Agreements which contain Terms and Conditions.

Of course, you have the ability to research these
things and discover what should have been done.
But it is more fun to rant and rave, stir the pot,
emote the drama while striving to rally support for
a lost cause.

But fear not; in time even the eyes of babes are
opened so that they might see.

[ramset]

Sm
You don't do charity work
I do, Lots and lots of charity work
Thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars!


This seems like more of a play time thing to you, some thing for an old man to sit around and feel
impOtent.


Nah
people  suffer because this work gets suppressed people die because this work gets suppressed!
this ain't some pissin contest Bud.


You can talk until your teach fall out of your face about legal this and copy rite that.


Tesla tower crap and old circuit nonsense .


Fact is these fellows don't sign on to make money ,they sign on to try and do whatever they can to make a difference,to set an example.


To be selfless,not selfish!!


please don't respond here ,I am thru beating this dead horse......


The scientists that chose to share here have gotten the clearest of messages that could ever be sent .......
Its against the laws of business ........
enter at your own risk!


thx
Chet

[Rfacts]

Farmhand:

You made some valid points and I considered how they might apply to my post.

I agree that no one owns the word exciter, Dr. Stiffler has stated this also.  In a previous post, I pointed out to GBluer directly that he had stated his position about this but not about why Dr. Stiffler didn't deserve any credit for the use of his SEC exciter design.  So in my last post I only raised the question of why not call it the Slayer Joule Thief because GBluer stated to me that one of the reasons he was not giving Dr. Stiffler credit was because the joule thief was the origin of his Slayer exciter.  I can see how this could be misinterpreted as questioning his use of the word exciter, so to simplify and avoid this distraction I decided to remove this question from my post.

You also make a valid point about not using "coercive persuasion techniques".  I'm really annoyed when double standards are openly practiced and mostly allowed to go on unchallenged.  My intention is to persuade with the facts not to 'force to conform', but one should avoid pressing a point in a way that will cause one to come across that way if it is not one's intention.  It will also detract from one's primary point of contention.

I kept both of your valid points in mind when I went back and modified my last post which will help make it a more focused response.  It is a response to a post GBluer addressed to me, in it I primarily wanted to point out that it is not fair to take someone out of context in an effort to justify your actions and that in his responses to me his credit to Dr. Stiffler had changed from the past with no explanation.

[Pirate88179]

I should point out again, that from my conversation with Gbluer, the issue is not that this guy is selling something, but rather than he is purposefully leaving out that it is an opensource design, and where to get it, so as to garner money from people for sending them paper copies of the design, also it seems he is, or was in one of the videos, insinuating that the design was different than anything on the web and that to get said circuit design you pretty much had to come to him.

Most of the people donating that I see, are doing so to get that kit of coils and parts, or just sending this guy money so he can do more research. but the few who are being fooled into thinking they are buying a design that can not be gotten from the opensource community are going to be pretty pissed I bet when they do stumble onto these pages. Also the discussion further lead where I see that Gbluer is going to try to rectify this by putting something up that money given will be understood that it is for parts and labor, and where to get the info freely if you want to source your own parts and build everything your self.  I hope I am right, because that seems like it was originally intended by most who provide things as opensource rather than try to close source it.

Well said sir.  For example, if someone was selling a JT circuit that they claimed only they had, and was selling the parts also, I could see some folks wanting to get everything they needed at one place but, to suggest that that was the only place to get this circuit would be fraud, in my opinion.