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Overunity Machines Forum



Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

Started by hartiberlin, April 25, 2010, 02:33:30 AM

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sterlinga

Quote from: Omnibus on April 27, 2010, 10:12:41 AM
There's no evidence yet to claim that and it's A to set up internet pages giving the appearance that it has already been proven let alone create theories to "explain" it.

You didn't read my introduction.  I make it very clear that this is not proven yet, just interesting at this point.
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vrand

Quote from: mscoffman on April 26, 2010, 03:17:03 PM
Here is a video if you are interested in running an internal combustion
engine on hydrogen. What this person does in the video and what they
fellows have done is very similar.

Hydrogen Fuel Engine Fundamentals Parts #1 thru 10 link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo88bRN8vFw

You have got to get to fact that air is not pure oxygen. So the
oxygen and hydrogen to the engine may be in stochiometric quantities
but the mixture is not. The engine is designed to run on fuel air mix
and therefore some air is gated in.

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The experiment needs to be improved as follows;

a) You need a needle value in the fuel line to act as a throttle. You should
couple the throttle to the Hall Effect switch in a way that controls the RPM
of the motor. This will set the 50 Hertz line frequency correctly in the
generator. The Voltage Regulator in the generator are generally resonant
circuits I think so the frequency instability will negatively affect the voltage
stability.

b)You need a hydrogen accumulator and a pressure sensor that controls
how much energy is being gated to the electrolyser. When the pressure
goes down in the accumulator the electrolyser cells should work harder
the bring it back up. For this control you should use a bulk 40VDC supply
rather than a regulated one so that the output voltage follows input.
If the transformer of the power supply doesn't like continuous TRIAC
controls then try using cycle skipping.

c) You need two Variac's variable AC auto-transformers. These are manually
adjusted to split the generators output power between the load and the
electrolyser. The concept is since P=E*I, as you increase the AC voltage
slightly up or down then the power on that path will follow along. Diesel
Electric Locomotives operate this way (sans hydrogen of course) and use
a variable transformer as a Continuously Variable Transmission.

Of course stabilising the feedback loop will do nothing if the electrolyser is not
producing at least somewhat above Faraday hydrogen and oxygen amounts.
It doesn't, by the way, make sense that non-stochiometric quantities of gas
would come from the electrolyser because the feed chemical is water and
if CF Cold Fusion is source of the excess energy, one is never going to see
reaction products because their quantities is so small.

If you have an option get a "Digital" Generator Set as it has a bunch
of features that would make it easier to control the feedback loop.
It essentially works the way the feedback loop should look!

I hope these fellows go on to improve their demonstration because they
started it. :D  I would rather have self-running proof of overunity energy
with a Carnot perfect gas engine rather than measurements anyhow. So
far what they have looks very good.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Thank you for posting the Roy Mcalister Hydrogen video link, I enjoyed seeing how simple it is to convert an engine to run on bottled Hydrogen.   :)

Roy does a fine job over the last 40 years in educating people on the benefits of Hydrogen and that the internal combustion engine is still the most efficient way of using Hydrogen!

It would be great if Roy got into using "Browns Gas" and running his engines on HHO.  ;)

Best regards, Mike R. 

mscoffman

Quote from: mogli on April 27, 2010, 06:00:37 AM

I think now it is time to start a complete new project:

We have one of the best HHO cells (ANTON),
but we also need a highly efficient engine. There are many articels on peswiki.com about much more convenient motors that could be used.
Also a plasma ignition and special spark plugs (Krupa: firestorm, Pulstar Plugs, ... ) can improve the efficiency further.


@mogli

No! Make what you have there work! We want to see a
self-running in system of less than optimal efficiency…So
that we know for sure that there is energy gain *inside*
the Anton cells.

If you make plasma mods to the motor then there will
be overunity gain inside the motor….we want it inside
the Anton cells. There is no higher efficiency motor
due to Carnot heat engine inefficiency. This engine
is not nervous, just un-thottled.

There is higher efficiency inside fuel cells…but I want
that extra efficiency so that I know I can get the
residual energy myself by buying an Anton electrolyser.

Don’t try to eat the buyer's lunch…Prove that the is overunity
inside what you are currently making…Anton cells. Or I will simply
wait to buy a total system package from you …and it will *never*
show up… and then nothing will have been proven. I don’t want
to see overunity energy inside an ICE engine because I don’t
want an Ice Engine. I want overunity energy.

You can’t give guarantees of overunity energy because in court
some high profile person will testify that it doesn’t exist. Create
the proof, then sell what you currently build based on implicit truth.

You don’t have to listen to me, then some MIB will run your unit
for example; on pure light water and either way - it won’t work.
Because you are not designing products according to fundamental
scientific/engineering principles.

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Currently his system loop instability is masking overunity energy production
in his electrolyser cells and he needs to unmask this information - as in the
truth. Does overunity occur when engine draws a vacuum on Anton cells?

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Quote from: vrand on April 27, 2010, 03:15:44 PM
Exactly!!

Please Don´t change anything yet!

Please first try to find a Gas Regulator Valve so you can feed the HHO at a steady rate into the engine say at 2 to 5 psi pressure.  So then you can just turn the valve open more for more gas or turn the valve down for less gas input depending on the electrical generator loads.

What you have is something very special.    :)

Keep up the good work!!

We all look forward to seeing more of your tests!

Best regards, Mike R.

Exactly!

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Quote from: Low-Q on April 27, 2010, 01:25:08 PM

Based on other claims, there is allways an explanation to why a motor doesn't work as desired. Many inventors tries to explain away the facts that prevents the motor to be a selfrunner. Adjustments are needed, wrong set of magnets, inproper ignition timing, lack of money (Please donate), etc. etc.

The same lesson every time a guy claims OU or something similar - with just a few minor adjustments. Then people are starting to ask questions. The inventor cannot reply, or provide bogus answers. Then the guy dissappear. Some inventors fools "stupid" investors, get ther money and disappear - or get cought by the police...

I'm just sceptic :)

Vidar

Exactly - but we can go a little further in our predictions...

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Quote from: Omnibus on April 27, 2010, 12:47:52 PM

Better yet, like I said, is to study the current efficiency and the caloric value of the evolved gases prior to using to run motors.


Yes, but I want proof not just numbers.

:S:MarkSCoffman

mscoffman

@All

Independent on what Anton does I have some proposals
For experiments based on what is being shown so that
next time we can have less loop instability problems and
maybe hit a little closer.


Experimental Question #1;

In a rank of one-to-ten; “How competent is the fuel system
of a propane fueled 4-cycle small ICE engine system capable
of running directly (one) on pure Hydrogen gas or (two) an
HHO gas feed? Hydrogen Gas Pressure: 5-7PSI. HHO probably
a bit higher. => We need a throtlable engine.


Experimental Question #2:

When running an 4-cycle small ICE engine with a ignition system
powered based on an external DC supply. “How much power
(in volts and milliamperes) is available when an automobile ignition
coil is backward wired to the flywheel magneto in stepdown mode
and the low impedance winding runs to a bridge rectifier and when
loaded to ½ the open circuit voltage by a load resistor?” The concept
is to construct an electronic ignition with a hall effect trigger sensor
that can be interposed on any small engine that does not require
external power. The sensor can operate based either on gears or
a “window” to the engine's cam-shaft.


Experimental Question #3

Is there a propane operated 4-cycle digital inverter generator at ~1KW?


Experimental Question #4

Accumulators slow down the loop response frequency required
to control a feedback loop. “Can additional electronic accumulation
be used to offset hydrogen accumulators -> Come up with a bulk
DC supply with 100Hz AC injection that is externally controllable.
How fast is electrolzer system response? We want to minimize
stored Hydrogen and also use HHO gas.


Experimental Question #5

Can Anton electrolyser be operated at 5PSI while retaining any
reputed overunity characteristics? Normal electrolysers like
higher pressure operation.


:S:MarkSCoffman

Omnibus

@mscoffman,

QuoteBetter yet, like I said, is to study the current efficiency and the caloric value of the evolved gases prior to using to run motors.


Yes, but I want proof not just numbers.

I know you want the overunity machine itself but it costs money to build it. By studying the gases which is straightforward and  inexpensive you may judge well as to whether or not there will be an OU machine. Why spend tons of money and waste months and years on building a machine which ultimately will prove underunity? This you can see in a matter of hours by studying the gases. Conversely, you can tell within ours if there's promise for OU without excuses for lack of funding or the instability of this or that.