Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[vrand]

I remeber for "ICE" as combusing exlosiv part in enginge,
following that i  found 5 years ago, an i have "saved" for myself.

eventually you can find a solution for your research now:


Gustav Pese

Interesting idea Gustav 

Here is another theory to explain the Over Unity performance of the Anton HHO cell, and other HHO researchers such as Stan Meyer, in the past running an engine.

Water Dissociation Using Zero Point Energy
by Moray B. King
Moray B. King has put forth a scientific model that suggests that the reason so many experimenters are observing more energy emerging from their electrolysis systems than what they put into it, is that the configuration harnesses zero point energy.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Electrolysis/Moray_King/WaterFuelZPE2009.ppt

"There are many names for the gas produced by the electrolyzers. Yull Brown is credited with recognizing and investigating the energetic anomalies of the gas as he was applying it to welding applications, and so perhaps is justified to name it after him. Most researchers believe the gas is simply a 2:1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. Brown hypothesized that the gas was atomic hydrogen and oxygen in his attempts to explain the strange energetic effects, and thus the name HHO has remained popular. Hydroxy is another popular name. George Wiseman, who was one of the first to recognized the dominant gas produced was not hydrogen, suggested it was “electrically expanded water.” Here we will consider a similar hypothesis: the gas is actually charged water gas clusters, which activate and cohere the zero-point energy. As we shall see, the gas is wide open for new names as investigators begin to realize that the important, energetic constituent is not hydrogen and claim that they are the first to discover this (since nearly everyone participating on the web believes the energetic gas is hydrogen).

"Here we will entertain the hypothesis that the dominant energy is not from hydrogen. The best support for the hypothesis is the big anomalies observed regarding Brown’s gas: It exhibits a cool flame (130 degrees F), yet it can sublimate tungsten (vaporization point over 10000 degrees F). Burning hydrogen cannot do that. Also there are experiments which show it can even dramatically reduce radioactivity in radioactive material. Burning hydrogen certainly cannot do that. Moreover, when the gas is analyzed in appropriately equipped laboratories, researchers find very little hydrogen. Instead they detect gaseous, water clusters with excess electrons."

"The hypothesis that the zero-point energy is the actual energy source for Brown’s gas comes from observing an experimental coincidence. Charged water gas clusters exhibit the same energetic anomalies as the plasma charged clusters, a microscopic form of ball lightning that has been extensively studied in the experiments by Ken Shoulders. He originally named them “Electrum Validum” (EV) meaning “strong charge,” and later named them “exotic vacuum objects” (EVO) when he became convinced that their excess energy was cohered from the zero-point vacuum fluctuations. To further support the hypothesis, we will review a reference that shows how zero-point energy can be coherently activated within a collapsing microscopic bubble of water via cavity quantum electrodynamics."

Regards, Mike R.

[Omnibus]

That was discussed earlier in the thread. Zero point energy is a deficiency in quantum mechanics which has to be dealt with in order to improve quantum mechanics rather than use it as a candidate explanation of whatever. Dismiss it outright, let alone that OU still hasn't been demonstrated conclusively in the case we're discussing. Let us see first what the follow up videos will show prior to speculating, especially on bogus grounds.

[pese]

@pese,

That's a really exotic hypothesis. To induce pressure, however, one has to do work (in our case at the expense of burning hydrogen). Where's the evidence that ice explosion will not only compensate for the work done but will also add excess energy?

Denken Sie daran, dass jeder Vakuum und plötzlicher Luftunterdruck, wird die Luftfeuchtigkeit  vereisen.
Nano- Eis kristalle,.
Auch der Dampf ( Nebel) aus dem HHO Bubbler wird vereisen.

Diesen Effekt haben Sie auch durch den engen Luftdurchgang im GEEZ Reaktor.
Dieser ist viel zu eng für eine normale Luftversorgung des Motors !!
Dass heisst, es gibt ein starkes Vakuum und "possible" entstehende Nano-Eis-Kristalle werden eine "Extra" Kraft erzeugen
Remember that any sudden vacuum and air pressure, humidity will freeze.
Nano-ice crystals.
Even the vapor (fog) from the HHO Bubbler will freeze.

They also have this effect by the narrow air passage in GEEZ reactor.
This is far too narrow for a normal air supply to the engine!
That is, there is a strong vacuum and "possible" emerging nano-ice crystals are an "extra" generating force


offcause the google-translation, i send the actual "german" source of it aditionally - because some translated word can possibly missinterpredet from "tramslator".

Gustav Pese

[vrand]

That was discussed earlier in the thread. Zero point energy is a deficiency in quantum mechanics which has to be dealt with in order to improve quantum mechanics rather than use it as a candidate explanation of whatever. Dismiss it outright, let alone that OU still hasn't been demonstrated conclusively in the case we're discussing. Let us see first what the follow up videos will show prior to speculating, especially on bogus grounds.

Self running for "hours heating the office" on just water is OU in my book.   

Moray also makes a good case explaining the anomalous properties of Browns Gas (what the Anton Cell is making), that have been demonstrated for decades, using ZPE and Ken Shoulders "charge clusters." 

[Omnibus]

Self-running for hours heating the office has to be reproduced independently. At least that, even prior to applying load. There are other suggestions also, such as that the system is a heat pump. At this stage what we see in the vid is on the order of other OU claims shown in multiple videos -- mostly wetting the appetite.

Again, it has to be understood what is causing the OU. Is it the electrolysis or what goes on in the ICE? The electrolysis is pretty trivial in its essence and I'd be amazed if it is at the basis of the effect, let alone that the cells being undivided would suggest worsening of the output gas volume. Besides, if there's anything unusual in the run of the cells it should be easily detected prior to getting into trouble to involve ICE. If, on the other hand,  what happens in the ICE is at the basis of the effect then one may think it should've been noticed earlier when hydrogen as fuel has been studied. Electrolysis in such a case would only be the supplier of the hydrogen and supply of hydrogen can be insured in other non-electrochemical ways. It should be obvious that the mere turning of H2 and O2 back to H2O cannot be the OU mechanism. The involvement of nitrogen interaction with oxygen to cause OU isn't clear too as a mechnism of OU, zpe is out. Further, it isn't clear how the he vacuum_creating_ice theory would be the mechanism for excess energy either. Etc., etc ... So, again, study separately the two elements of the system -- the cell and the ICE -- or, since it's already available, demonstrate reproducibly self-sustaining run of the system. That run has to be estabished as an undeniable fact, reproduced by third parties, prior to any attempts at explaining it.