Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[vrand]

One cannot pull off the Yul Brown tricks with other A, because they produce a non-condensable gas (CO2). This will not condense into a liquid like the hydrogen gas does under properly controlled conditions.

People are generally unfamiliar with combustion with stoichiometric mixtures of H2 and O2 and for good reasons. They would generally  take themselves out of Darwinian selection when a large volume of the gas was inadvertently collected.

Yeah, Yull Brown showed that intereesting property of 100% HHO in one of his video demonstrations, that a combustion of stoichiometric mixtures of H2 and O2, you get a VACUUM as the gas returned to liquid water. 

Now if you mix HHO with air, up to 130 to 1 lean air/fuel ratio (such as used to fuel engines), then you get explosive energy release upon spark ignition.

[mscoffman]

These gentlemen don't have to prove anything to anyone. They don't owe us a thing. It is nice of them to share what they are doing and keeping us informed. If they get it self running so that it stays running and it gives more, then it is OU. That's all the proof anyone should need. Anything else is a waste of time that can be left to the science community.

Truly they don't owe us anything. But logic dictates a path that should not be
so hard to follow. But like the Tilly affair, these people often don't seem to behave
logically.  And then the gaps in their systemic knowledge start to show up, and
soon they are accused of fraud.

I think anyone wanting to sell equipment should start out like Anton, then shift to a
logical basis so that those in the field understand their intent, and Anton still might
behave this way, we don't know. I'm not sure why their equipment is as expensive
as Omnibus says it is, it actually look pretty simple, but well designed. Also I don't
know if anyone noticed, but they could make hydrogen fuel-cells in a very similar
manner. But they may be too busy trying to eat everyone elses lunches to to see
this.

The problem is that in the real word CF energy actually vests twice. Once
as HHO gain and once as Plasma gains due to the recycled exhaust H2O.
The two stage gains multiply so as to become visible. The trick is to recognize
the HHO gain before the complexity of the situation also multiplies and parameter
control is lost.

I am afraid that the best we can hope for is someone who knows they have
electrolyser gain sees the Anton approach and actually wants to sell product,
repeats it, but does so with a provable video.

In the instance of the personal computer industry there is a difference;
In the computer industry both the hardware performance was/is new but
the software capabilities are/were also new. In the energy industry only
the hardware is new, we all know precisely what we will be doing with it.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Omnibus]

See, one of their simpler cells sells for over a thousand dollars. That's expensive if one is to only explore their claim. At least there should be a good reason to do so. So far I don't see one in strictly scientific terms. Just a video with claims for self-sustaining run isn't enough. We've seen a lot of videos. Where will we end up if we're to buy  for a thousand dollars the equipment shown in every video?

[mscoffman]

@All

With (HHO or hydrogen) + air.  The pollution called NOx is still produced
during combustion. I guess is another good reason to discharge the exhaust
gas to the atmosphere.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Omnibus]

The pollution called NOx is still produced
during combustion.

Do you have any hard data to back this up?