Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[markdansie]

No,
its is just a standard dry cell sometimes called a aterro Cell. Bob boyce actually created this type of cell originally.
The efficency of this cell is about the same of the other dry cells out there.
There are many instructions how to build them on the net, they are really easy and I have built a few.
The plate spacing can make a bit of difference but not a lot. The most important thing is surface area and use 316 stainless if you have it.
You can buy good cells like this quite cheap already built on the NEt at places like March Labs.
Hope that helps
Mark

[sushimoto]

What kind of electronics does this Anton cell configuration require. I understand theres no need for a toroidal transformer as in Boyce's design, is that correct?
Do you still need a PWM circuit?

Currently, they dont use any special electronics execpt of half-way rectified AC.
Based on the "narrow-gap" principle, like boyce and others used, is
enhancing that with some kind of bedini/Boyce/Meyer/scalar back-emf
transformator the next logical step.

[Alchemist]

and does that not compromise the amount of gas produced? i mean why did bob go through the trouble of introducing electronics and a toroid, if had already built one like that originally, if there was no advantage in doing so?

[mscoffman]

and does that not compromise the amount of gas produced? i mean why did bob go through the trouble of introducing electronics and a toroid, if had already built one like that originally, if there was no advantage in doing so?

Anton is selling only the electrolyser cells right now...not the entire
system. So they only *have to* show unity electrolysis gain
to be guilty of selling quality hardware. This is the correct approach,
to now let those who claim the "overunity lies in the power supply" to
prove that, and that could easily be done using the Anton cells as
electrolyser. Unless tubular or carbon electrode electrolyser cells are
a requirement?

Bob's introduction of the toroid power supply sure made the device much
harder to technologically produce and introduces much uncertainty into
where the overunity energy actually came from...It may have simply
produced more hydrogen that way.

@All

I don't understand why the electrolyser or engine would be more efficient
when they are operating at idle. If the engine is burning water vapor or
engine oil that might explain the situation.

:MarkSCoffman

[sushimoto]

Of course, there is an advantage in feeding back some of the
galvanic/capacitive "features" of that kind of stacks and that
should be investigated further in order to make such systems even more efficient.
Most of the "products" selled are just a try to mimic LCR resonances which
is not as easy as announced. Maybe Boyce had trouble to release something
stable in series for a bigger market? Sometimes Investors are pushing too hard.

As for my understanding the "anton" project and all the others
are going towards sustainability and alternatives to avoid the kind of
"free-energy" you are seeing in the gulf of mexico right now.

"Give HHO 100Years and multi-billions$ of funding like fossils have had
and it will not just be another method of destroying our planet."

i do see that most of the visitors here are looking for "free-(for-me)-energy" in short-terms,
but for my opinion nothing is more "worth" to take care about the environment and to
stop burning stinky stuff. There must be thousands of "Drycells" and such in the states,
but where is the progress in research?
There are a very few real experimenters which are not just looking
for a cheap way to save gasoline on their "big-block-trucks".

Admirable people like "jdmforyou" are really growing with their experience and knowledge.
Regardless, if its "free-energy" or not.
Its an alternative.