Gulf Oil Spill - new record

[ResinRat2]

Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.

[giantkiller]

Amish saying:
'We inherit the world from our ancestors, but we borrow the planet from our children'.

At what time does 'Conspiracy' ('Cons' = 'With' + Piracy(pirate)) theory become history?

[WilbyInebriated]

Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.

did i say power all our needs? i'm pretty sure i referenced VEHICLES... can you show where i said 'power all our needs'? don't twist my statements with your logical fallacies (strawman).
you don't need a suv that gets 15mpg to drive to and from work, you just want one.
your argument holds no water, and normally i don't respond to logical fallacies other than to call then what they are but this one of yours is so asinine...  solar energy works at night http://lmgtfy.com/?q=solar%20tower AND can also be stored. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=storing%20solar%20%20molten%20salt
wind energy can be stored too. i'll let you do your own due dilligence on that one.
you're simply trying to justify your lazy convenience...


nothing else to fall back on? wrong, so wrong. who said anything about using the grid? the wasted space on your roof can supply the energy. can you read? like it or not, you're just addicted to your lazy convenience. we have nothing BUT choices... you just choose to cater to your convenience.

i never suggested or even implied "all electric from solar and wind". just stop with the strawman arguments, logical fallacies will get you nowhere with me.

[ResinRat2]

Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.

[WilbyInebriated]

i notice you avoided showing where i said 'power all our needs' and are just continuing with your strawman argument

Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?

there are links that answer you in my previous post... can you read? can you comprehend? let's remember here that my response to you regarding solar energy @ night was not related to what i am using. it was in response to your logical fallacy, the strawman argument you used wherein you tried to imply that i said 'all our needs'. you would do better to concern yourself with what you are doing, or more to the point, not doing, instead of what i am doing...
here you go mr. lazy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EvV90MeDY and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3d%20solar%20cell
now, DON'T ask me to do due diligence for you again, do it yourself.

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.

strange. i store the energy from my solar collectors AND my wind turbine...

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.

there are plenty of other choices, you just choose to not use them for the sake of lazy convenience.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.

i did, and i don't think you are wrong, i know you are wrong because i am doing what you say can't or is 'too expensive' to be done. a battery doesn't cost a fortune, it works long term and provides energy on demand. pay attention or shut up. you don't have to purchase an electric car, you can convert your existing car...

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.

more fallacious rationalization. i afforded it, and i have (by choice) a below average income...

a couple rhetorical questions unrelated to EV's that i will take the liberty of answering.
when is a solar collector most efficient? during the day in direct sunlight.
when do you use your airconditioner the most? during the day when the sun is out.
why do you not have a solar powered airconditioner? they don't make them.
why do you choose to not demand they make them, or choose to make one yourself? lazy convenience.