Mehess Motor

[billmehess]

Hi group
I would like to update what I am doing as I have received a number of emails as to my progress.
I can generate enough energy to rewind the clock via my pendulum system but not in the time required.
It takes me approx. 12 days to generate the needed voltage to rewind but my clock can only run for up to 8 days.
I have come up with another application that I am very excited about and I would like to run it past the group to see if it is worth developing further.
One of the core goals of my device was to be able to make a motor that would generate electricity that was not what
I call to be "area specific" In other words it did not need sunlight, water, wind etc. to work. It could generate power
in any location. A dark room if necessary. Its location and setup being totally independent of its enviroment.
I  have been able to modify my device to be able to run a LED continously.
This is NOT being presented as a ou device.
I can run the LED totally off the power generated by the magnets charging up a bank of capacitors. I am not using the pendulum system as I can now "drop" 9 magnets into 9 coils generating a much larger paulse than the pendulum method.
Dropping the mags into the coils also eliminates the back emf problems that the swinging mag. created.
I am still using the clock mech. as I have found a way to connect directly to the sproket from the main spring with a lever which will lift up the bank of magnets and in approx. 1 min drop them into the coils. The process then begins over and over.
I do have to rewind the clock manually every 8 days, this takes approx. 15 seconds. But during this time the LED has been on continously.
My bank of 213 4700uf caps have a voltage loss of around 3 mv per hour. But I can generate enough continous power to overcome this and keep the LED running. The LED has a forward voltage of 2.1 volts drawing 25ma.
I have performed countless tests with the following results:
When I drop the mags into the coils I can charge up the cap bank at the rate of 4 mv per minute. It would take approx. 500 min to charge it up to the 2 volts needed to run the LED. For the sake of saving time I charge up the cap bank via
2 1volt C cells. I then disconnect the battery and run the LED totally from the power generated from the energy
being pumped into the cap bank.
The LED within about 1 hour will drain the cap bank faster than the energy being pumped into it. But then the curve begins to flatten out. When the LED has drained down to approx. 1.644 volts (whick takes about 4 hours) it is draining the cap bank at a rate of
5-6 mv per hour. I can generate about 12 mv per hour and keep the LED lit indefinitly.
At 1.644 volts the LED is barely lit-but it is lit!.
I believes this technology is fully scaleable. A power generation system that could be used anywhere in any enviroment
with minimum human interaction to make it work.
I want to know what you think. I would be happy to put up a quick geocities website to show the device working.
Also this would be a open source project.
As always your input is appreciated, should I continue with this work?

[Humbugger]

You asked for opinions:  No, do not continue this work.  It is futile and silly.  If you have no hope of OU what is the point?   

If the point is simply to spend time entertaining yourself by playing with pendulums, clock mechanisms, magnets, coils and LEDs, by all means continue.  Just don't delude yourself by thinking you are doing serious energy research!

I had never seen such a plethora of bad non-science, wishful thinking, group mental-illness and just plain inexcusable technical ignorance stir up so much enthusiasm and cult-like optimism with absolutely zero tangible useful output energy result before I started reading these forums. 

It all just bears out the inevitable fact that none of it actually works.  Inventors have been making OU claims for as long as history has recorded.  None...not one single one...has ever found useful practice and successful commercial sale.  Hello?  This should be a clue!

It's the same story every time: Glorious claims without any reasonable evidence...long drawn out discussions about elusive mysterious details...demands for huge investment of replicators' time and/or angels' money...fights over who owns worthless intellectual property...endless precisely-detailed yet fatally-flawed experiments and constructions with huge glaring "mystery parts" and purposely avoidance-based "measurements" (or lack thereof) and, finally, when all else fails...stories of the powers that be suppressing the great new device.  Bullshit!  Where are the working machines?  There aren't any!  Never were.

Bottom line:  There is yet no magical energy box.  The piper, so far, is always paid one way or another.

Serious investigators might best focus on systems that maximize the efficiency of conversion and storage devices and practical means for tapping into the abundant sources we have at hand (including geothermal, solar, hydrogen, wind, water, fire and nuclear reaction) and, foremost, on ways of accomplishing more and better results with less equipment, fewer conversions, less need for storage and transport of energy and materials and work in general.

The pretentiousness and complete folly expressed here and in other forums like this is on a par with the very seriously-debated dark-age religious argument:  How many angels dance on the head of a pin?  The answer is none.  Why would they want to?  They have all of creation to dance within! 

[Humbugger]

To specifically critique your stuff, Mr. Mehess, here are my comments based only upon your last post:

"I can generate enough energy to rewind the clock via my pendulum system but not in the time required.
It takes me approx. 12 days to generate the needed voltage to rewind but my clock can only run for up to 8 days."   

So...at best, your device could only be 66% efficient in terms of converting/storing energy.  Rube Goldberg did better than that!  Not a prayer of OU.

Remember...energy units include time units...power multiplied by time is energy.  It is silly and betrays a badly non-scientific mindset to say that it generates enough energy but not for a long enough time.  To be correct, you might say that it outputs enough power but not for a long enough time.  Volts x Amps = Watts (power)  x Seconds = Joules aka Watt-seconds (energy).  This may seem like I'm being overly technical or getting hung up on semantics. 

Science is a terse and exacting discipline.  I can think of many times I've seen huge efforts at replicating insane devices on this website alone in which this basic relationship between voltage, current, power and time was quite obviously ignored or just not understood by the "inventor" or the would-be replicators. 

People observe a voltage or current increase and mistake it for "excess energy" yet it's two steps away!  First, it has to be an increase in the simultaneous product of voltage and current to be even a power increase.  Maybe they actually get a power increase, meaning that EI product POWER is bigger coming out than going in...still a big step away from free energy!  All you have to include to get that is any energy storage device...capacitor, battery, inductor, spring, pendulum, gravitationally-displaced mass, etc. 

Example:  charge up a big capacitor with a small low-power solar cell...this takes only  a small amount of power for a bit of time.  Now, short the cap with a screwdriver...BANG!  Huge sudden power!  Not excess energy or overunity!  Yes...more power out than in for sure...but power ain't squat without time!  Maybe you put in 3 watts for ten seconds (30 joules of energy) and got out 29,800 watts for one millisecond (29.8 joules of energy).  That's impressive and probably typical and a lot better than your 66% return but it's just basic, simple energy arithmetic. 

The energy you extract from the output of any electrical black box system will always be less than the energy you put in.  Period.  You can delude yourself by pretending that voltage is energy or current is energy or even that power is energy.  But they are not energy.  Energy is Power multiplied by Time.

All your system seems to be is a rather overly complicated, expensive and lossy way of storing and then converting mechanical to electrical energy.  We already have plenty of those!  Way too many!

"I do have to rewind the clock manually every 8 days, this takes approx. 15 seconds. But during this time the LED has been on continously."

"I believes this technology is fully scaleable. A power generation system that could be used anywhere in any enviroment
with minimum human interaction to make it work."

Ever heard about the guys that bought widgets for $1.00 each and sold them for $0.66 each?  Well, they lost a little on each one but they made up for it by selling in huge quantities. 

The suggested "scaling" for this proposed energy generating system of yours, in my humble opinion, sir, is best to approach toward zero as quickly as possible!

I believe you'd do a lot better if you just bought a hand-cranked generator with a flywheel or a battery.  Your very complex electro-mechanical system as described would make Rube Goldburg proud or maybe even envious and is no doubt much less efficient.

[billmehess]

Poor Humbugger, its obvious he got out of bed on the wrong side. Such a bad mood.
First I am not claiming ou as I stated.
I guess ALL research should come to a screaming halt unless ou can be achieved. No new advances, no new  experimentation to at least look at something different.
Lets all go back to the dark ages.
Did I ask for investors-no
Did I make outrages claims-no
Did I explain how what I was doing worked-yes
Does it work-yes
Was there any compoents that were hidden and "where the magic happens"-no
Will I show a video-Yes
Am I looking for a patent-no
Is this open source-Yes
Please read the thread again and see what I am doing. If it is of no value so be it-let me know.

[Humbugger]

 

It's not personal, nor does it have anything to do with my mood.  You are obviously having fun playing and getting some ego strokes and encouragement from this forum.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just please don't pretend you are a scientific investigator or an energy researcher, okay?

Self-delusion, peer acceptance and a feeling of doing important work are common ingredients for success in our culture.  Even when the actual useful achievements are non-existent and or negative.  Perception of value is valuable in our culture.

I think you are probably a great guy and a fun person.  I know for sure you have a lot to learn if you ever want to produce a useful energy invention.  Science and progress and growth require one to laugh at how silly one's ideas have been and to appreciate that the only value of much early effort undertaken without understanding (blind experimentation) is to obtain the knowledge of how silly you have been so that you appreciate being able to reject similar analagous silly ideas in the future by merely thinking quietly to yourself for a moment rather than by doing hundreds of hours' work and writing up what, in retrospect, are embarrassingly silly ideas.

I'm just trying to help folks grow up to be real scientists!

What are you trying to do?  If it isn't overunity then what?  Really! 

I'm guessing you are trying to have fun fooling around with techno-stuff  get some social feedback  and learn in the process , all of which are just peachy goals.  If it's anything more seriously science or engineering-related then allow me to burst your bubble and call you and anyone who is at all impressed with your ideas so far completely silly and foolish! 

That will be my humble contribution to your collective scientific/engineering education...in the best spirit of science and learning and good humor, of course. 

Remember...science is discovering the framework for practical reality, which is sometimes not what we are hoping for.  A smart engineer is not afraid to think outside the box...but if he's going to be describing his ideas to other smart engineers and scientists, it will behoove him to actually think before expressing. 

Learn the terms and , basic relationships and common language of your areas of discipline at least!  Anyone who doesn't get that it's a huge and incredibly revealing joke when you said you were getting enough energy output but just not for long enough time to close the loop...well...they just don't understand the first thing about energy!

Can you admit you have learned something about volts, amps, watts, time and joules here?  Can you look back yet and honestly say "I really do get the joke and it was on me"?  Or is your hopeful hero status on the forum being called into question by an outsider newbie just too much for your tender ego to handle?  Are we learning yet?  Are we having fun still?