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Magnet Motor Toroidal Coil

Started by Poit, June 03, 2010, 08:30:02 PM

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gyulasun

Quote from: gravityblock on June 05, 2010, 07:17:21 PM
Here's a third possibility.  The rotor and stator magnet (the stator magnet being on the other side of the coil) are in repulsion mode and this can be seen in the video at 2:52 written out in a caption.  The rotor magnet is attracted to the core, since the attraction to the core is greater than the repulsion from the stator magnet.  When the coil is energized at TDC, then the core loses it's net attractiveness and the rotor magnet is repelled by the stator magnet.

Around 3:02 of the video, you can see the rotor oscillating back and forth when the coil stays energized due to the rotor magnets on each side of TDC repelling against the stator magnet in opposite directions.  When he de-energizes the coil, then the approaching magnet is attracted to the core again.

GB

Hi GB,

Yes, I think your suggested third possibility is in fact a reality shown in the video.  And the ring core when it is excited become quasi 'transparent' to the flux so that the two permanent magnets can interact as their polarities dictate.  And the ring's 'transparancy' to flux comes from becoming at least partly saturated, the ring core's permeability gets reduced by the excitation.

Thanks,  Gyula

synchro1

Not only does the core grow saturated, but it begins to magnatize, after which point the motor can no longer run.

gyulasun

Quote from: synchro1 on June 06, 2010, 11:13:36 AM
Not only does the core grow saturated, but it begins to magnatize, after which point the motor can no longer run.

Well this can happen if the ring core has a material with high value remanent magnetic properties,  you wish to avoid using that.

synchro1

Does anyone know just exactly what kind of washer material he's useing and if theres somthing else that might work better? Here's an idea for an M.E.G. configuration: Magnets sandwiched between two wraped toroidal washers, with spiral pancake output coils on each end of the stack. Might make a very efficient solid state. This intrepid inventer achieved overunity doing somthing like that over here on youtube.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQxL9W6gVG4

synchro1

We can see how Gotuluc gets more out than in with an LLC resonant circuit, in his Youtube video from the message above. Two coils on the toroid core and a balanced capacitor, with magnets attached. Two toroid motor coil type inductors balanced with the right capacitor with magnets in between gives us the same LLC magnet oscillated circuit. The only problem is, the frequency has to be adjusted as the capacitance rises to maintain resonance in the tank circuit, which is a different output source from the spiral pancake coils suggested for the outside. Gotuluc has a detached output coil generating current along with the LLC output feedback too.  A few cheap correct alloy metal washers might work nearly as well as a costly custom core. Gotiluc's LLC OU feedback circuit can be coupled with the Toroid spinning roter as well. Gotuluc's circuit might also spin a magneticly levitated frisbee type ring with magnatized sections, inside his two coil toroid, using this toroidal coil magnet pulse principle.