Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2

[gn0stik]

I didn't see this posted elsewhere - apologies if it's a dup.

The attached (whilst not how Torbay specifies his setup) may help create a similar device - using mechanical force only for actuation.

Thoughts?

Interesting idea for replacement of the stators, however there are two problems with it. I'm unaware of any material that would effectively shield a magnetic field. Magnetism is a force not an energy, like gravity. If we could shield a force, we'd have done it with gravity a long time ago and achieved overunity that way. Likewise with magnetism. The second problem is it requires power to make the actuators move the shield. Unless of course we did it mechanically, which also requires power, just mechanical power. However if the torque calculations are correct, there's plenty of that to spare.

Forgive me if I posted prematurely, I've only just read the old thread and I'm on page 17 of the new one. Not quite to the end yet. Very interesting read so far I must say.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

[tbird]

http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/magneticExp/lafonte/lafonte.htm

doesn't this give anyone an idea how to easily move (very little mechanical power from rotor) the stators of this motor?

[kukulcangod]

I must reply to this one 'cause Lafonte was has been trying for ages , and this is to show that we might only have a proof of principle in this case and excellent demo in Buthce's hands to explain only one of the Torbay's motor characteristics/principles..  but not a motor and the kind of tridimensional power thinking is required to get a working motor, I must admit my own thinkering about Butche's motor didn't get any results if he only would've integrated some kind of actuator to supress magnetic force......  and right now there's no access to see his many ideas that never worked but where very inspiring, so close and yet so far and now he is going private like Perendev, we are going to end up with a "lease agreement" for his motor, yes we have to pay but not for a difference of only pennies,on the other hand if no terroristic fashion like restrictions are issued then we can copy it, and then again i don't think anyone is going to make money on this.....see??in the show by Simon Cowl  "american inventor" a man invented the directional emergency lights for a motorbike helmet, the Judge inventor marketing guru said "thank you for the idea now everyone can put lights on its helmets......sorry not good, is too easily replicable"....Regards

[silverdragonrs]

it has been braught to my attention that i have been lacking in my update... sorry,

my motor stopped running after a few hours.. it runs very slow... rpm..not sure... i dont have a device to measure it.. but i would aproxamate less than one round per second so id average it out to about 55rpm ...

the flaw with my model?

i did not measure the best effective distance for my rotor and stator magnet reaction..

my stator arm pins were stiff and non polished..
the sides of my stators rubb on the ancor to much...
my rotor is using the magnets set on their side (to little reactive surface)
i only used three small rotor magnets.
i used eight stator arms and had to much gap between
my timing was sloppy and not easily refine/adjustable)
my "top plate" was rough and had dents.. not very good at all...

all in all i was surprised that the thing worked at all.... but it did. i dont see why nobody else has gotten it to work.. it was relatively simple.. and the design is so accurate (in concept) that even with all these errors it still functioned.. so how is it that all your models are not working to some degree? The answer i think is that instead of building the model you are doing experiments... (building the motor with no topcap.. is an experiment.. not a replication attempt....) so stop playing and experementing and build the darn thing even if you dont know why it works.. as long as you usnderstand what goes where you can make this thing...  a basic mechanical understanding is all that is needed.. you dont need to understand the fields and such untill later in the refinement stage...

I am going to have to take my model apart to create the new one.. i will start that today or tom. I am sorry i could not get a picture or video for you all but i am not joking when i tell you all that i have no job and no income.. i live on food stamps and government housing.. yes i am ashamed of this but there is nothing to be done... i do not have any money to go get a camera or such unless i get the money off of a friend or something. sorry.. you can count me as a lier or fony or what ever you want.. personally i could care less.. i am here to try and learn and help others do the same.. not to prove myself to anyone.. sorry for my lack of resources...

Once i get a fully functioning model running that i can be proud of i will send it off to somebody (one of you) to take pics of and verify..

Please understand that i am also trying to create a website/service (learning webprogramming at the same time) that will be a source of income for me and my family...... this motor though at the TOP of my interests and hobby list will take some time due to my lack of time to put into it.. sorry...

one last note.. this next prototype will take me a long time to create.. it will require a lot of custom work that i will have to find a "redneck" way to do.. this new design i drew up is complex (as far as building is concerned) and my ideas to add after i get a good working model built are even farther advanced as far as a mechanical raising and lowering system for the arms.. and transfer of eccess torque into rpms... (to make this motor more compatable with a standard generator...)

I will not be updating this post for a while..(untill there is something to update ) if ANY of you.. whether you know me or not want to ask me anything then please PM me on any of my messengers (i use trillian so all in one ) I dont mind taking a moment to describe this motors functions or my ramblings and findings.. just keep in mine i am have a simple education... my understanding of this motor is fine... my ability to .......articulate...... that is not... my vocabulary not being quite as advanced as some of you...

anyways... back to work i go... talk to you all later..

thanks, sorry,
danny

[silverdragonrs]

man.. that went from update to looney rant in no time sorry....