Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder

[fritz]

There is a battery reconditioner:

       novitec megapulse

It contains a mosfet, a small coil and a cmos 4538(?!) (or similar) oscillator + shut off logic.
Operates at some kHz.

You can find case studies at their homepage -  http://www.megapulser.de/   + some experimental data from austrian technical university.

Its reported that this device decreases the amount of sulfur-crystalisation on lead acid battery plates - which reduces  /restores / lowers the internal resistance of the battery - as well as re-establishes the worn down ampere-hours to useful amounts.

I bought the stuff (pretty expensive for what I found inside) - and could verify the effect with some aged lead acid batteries.

I saw increase of battery voltage, reduction of internal resistance, increase in amphours - or lets call it re-activation of prior not accessible zombie-energy - trapped by sulphur crystals.

As seen on other experiments as well as reported from battery manufactorers - the amount harvestable energy from a primary cell can be a multiple of the nominal energy if extracted using short DC pulses.
This is why I never trust chemistry.

[fritz]

In some claims they state that this effect is caused by a treatment with some precise MHz fluctuating current which targets the problem on molecular level. If there is some truth with that- this would be achieved by overtones of that audible kHz operation.

The circuit is active / oscillator running - if the battery voltage is >12.8V - then the coil is loaded with some khz pulses and discharges on top of that actual battery voltage.
The used coil has few uH and a ferrite core, the height of discharge pulse depends on the battery condition.

There are lots of circuits on the net for that purpose:

http://www.alton-moore.net/graphics/desulfator.pdf

Even ones with quite fascinating mosfet-cascades reaching nearly 100A spikes - but dont remember that url.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello Sandy,

So nice to read supportive posts.  It's rather rare in my history.  LOL. Thanks for the kind comments.

Very interesting to see your comments on the battery arrangement.  I didn't realise that this was simply a battery recharge system.  I see it more as a discharge/recharge number that should go some way to giving us a significant conservation of charge.  I've run the idea through some battery chemists/experts - alkaline and lead acid - and there seems to be some consensus on the theory.  I'm waiting for a detailed analysis from a boffin.  But on the face of it - it may very well work.  The more so in the light of Fritz's comments on how the batteries seem to prefer those heavy duty spikes.  I kept to that unconventional schematic simply to stress the 'mirror image' which is the kind of symmetry that fascinates me.  But GUYS.  If that works - then we've put paid to our dependancy on the average utility supplier.  Theoretically it would take a bank of batteries and we could all hook off grid.  Got to be a good thing.  And I see it being somewhat usable for our electric motors.  I'm anticipating marginal losses - at best - as shown in our 'proof of concept' experiments.  The principle is just an extension of that field model - as you've pointed out.   Frankly the only barrier to this is 'prejudice'.  And I see those hide bound attitudes falling to their knees - all over the place.  What a pleasure. 

Glad you like my zipons.  They've been rather abused - but I think they're beginning to hold their heads up at last.  Certainly it's seductively logical.  But - again, I'm no expert.  Just very much into patterns and symmetries.  It's obsessively interesting once you get into this.

Thank you for explaining Otto's questions.  You're right.  It's better to let the system find it's own resonating frequency and I don't know that one can impose this.  Not without first having some extraordinarlly exact values on the inductance and how this effects the ohmic values.  Not easy given various alloys and materials and the vagaries from different manufacturers.  But it would be nice to establish the math to better predict the results.  I think this is one of the goals of the academics involved here.

So Sandy.  Thanks again and delighted to see your interest.  I'd be glad of any input you may want re the thesis.  Just let me know. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello Fritz. 

Very intrigued to learn that this is a standard 'recharge system' as already advanced.  That's a really good thing.  But I would suggest that if this works on our cylinder - then it should obviate the need for that MOSFET - or the entire dependancy on it.  Perhaps some shared function between the two. 

But, as mentioned, that also puts paid to our need for a utility supplier.  Frankly I only used the acid/alkaline number to get the logic across to our chemists.  I think the system would work just as well between two acid batteries.  But whichever is required - the fact is that we're looking at a potentially 'closed' system.  It's been hitting our mainstream representatives between the eyes - because it's consistent with their own knowledge of what to expect - yet resulting in something that is totally unexpected.  One comment - explosive - was 'that's perpetual motion'.  LOL.  I immediately disabused him and pointed out that SOME losses were inevitable.  I'm sort of learning how to be diplomatic in my old age.

But the solution as presented is way too simplistic.  We may very well need to supplement those cycles with some hefty spikes from inductive components.  And that calls for ever more complex switches.  But.  There's enough interest to try - whatever's needed.  That's a healthy baseline for the experiments.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[fritz]

Hi Rosemary,

BTW: One of the first "suppressed" technologies I remember were recharging alkaline batteries. This was probably 25 yrs ago. In the end they sold special alkaline batteries - which could be recharged up to 5 times or so (with rapidly decreasing amphours).
From my experiments with batteries / accumulators - there is a certain charge (depending on battery and size) - which is immediatly available at the electrodes. If you consume more than that - some chemical transfer is involved which has a time constant, adds internal resistance an generates losses .
So if you load the battery with a well defined pulse - and let it chill until the ion exchange replaces that immediatly consumable charge - until you load the next pulse - you avoid the intrinsic losses you have on normal DC discharge. If you discharge with DC - a fraction of the (theoretical) available amphours is consumed by losses which warm up the battery. The complementary principle is used with pulse reflex chargers - where you charge the battery with high and short current pulses - in sequence with as short "skimming" pulse which shortens the battery leads - and a chill out phase. Length of current and skimming pulse is done adaptive with a microcontroller with the aim to just transfer the maximum possible charge to the electrodes (which can be done with minimum internal resistance) - and avoid DC charging where internal resistance goes up.
That megapulse/battery recycle thing just interacts with that immediatly consumable charge - loads the coil and feeds the energy back to the battery.
Well, kind of regular training which keeps the lazy sulfur crystals off the electrodes.